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yeah

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imma tell you what baby you never know

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where this Show's going but tonight we

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going bigfooting that's what's gonna

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happen we don't even know where we're

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gonna go with each episode but we know

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it's not going to be to the same spot

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right Nathan because you know he moves

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you got it you got to man never never go

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the same spot twice uh I'm the same way

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and and pick up what you take in right

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you know you gotta take it out yeah but

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yeah pack up your trash damn it don't be

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leaving no bud bottles so Terry can go

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in there with his plastic bag anyway I'm

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your host DJ along with the co-creator

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the executive producer of this joint the

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technical Beast money Nathan what's up

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money

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not much man happy Thursday uh it's

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almost the end of the month

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where's the time going I don't know it's

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crazy it's just going really quick it

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really thought it was just February 1st

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uh but somebody who ain't got time for

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the pain is a woman who just did an

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episode last night with an experiencer

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and she is the host of Deb's dad and

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Dojo an original gangster of this show

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Deb what's up Holmes I'm excited to meet

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our guest and have a conversation that

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educates us all more about the Bigfoot

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phenomenon

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he's as cool as the other side of the

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pillow and let me tell you what people

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not everybody are doing it like this

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man's doing it he's talking about I'm

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not coming in your space with you know

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getting in your grill trying to uh

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ruffle up your stuff this man is talking

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about respect between us he is the

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creator of Rock Hill Bigfoot put your

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hands together for South Carolina's oh

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thank you

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yes good evening

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what's going on brother DJ before we get

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started brother I gotta say that was

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probably one of the most energetic

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introductions I have ever had

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thank you sir I appreciate it uh we do

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it a little bit differently around here

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not better or worse just differently uh

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and uh we love it we want everybody to

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feel welcome loved and respected and

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positive when they get here and when

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they leave and that's the pretty much

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the mission of the show you know and uh

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in this case Terry

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there and by the way so we have Jill the

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jewel of Indiana is in the chat Julie

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how are you darling it's great to see

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you I know you got to check out early

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because you got a meeting tonight you

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got to talk to somebody talk to our

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brother Simeon Hein and others so thank

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you for hanging in Jules and uh when you

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gotta go you got to go and we'll talk to

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you soon

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um so Terry for our audience

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um is not as Bigfoot Centric yet as I

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hope it will be we hope to bring in all

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audiences because we want to talk about

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all these different topics we're not a

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brand name in Bigfoot where you know we

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started off in UFOs but um our interests

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take us elsewhere that's not just to

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like try to pick up uh you know viewers

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or listeners for the sake of it but it's

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just because we're interested in other

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stuff I mean that's what what drives us

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you know again we did a show about

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ancient structures on Sunday and there

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was almost no UFO discussion on that

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episode but more just an exploration of

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of how maybe these things happened and

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you had some great commentary about

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about uh Gobekli Tepe but anyway I I

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think our audience you're just such a

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a great Ambassador for bigfoot because

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of respect between us that's something

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that uh that resonates with me and when

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I go out uh in the forest uh uh on on

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some Expeditions uh that's what I take

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with me is what you said resonates with

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me and when I was out there last weekend

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I got in my bare feet I stood on the

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ground and I tried to put that out uh to

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to the bigfoots that that may have been

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tuning in to me that this is what I'm

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here for I'm here to learn about you I'm

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not here to get in your space and

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disturb you in any way and uh and and I

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welcome uh you saying hello kind of

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thing so yeah we're in their house you

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know yes sir we're in their house let me

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turn you over to the capable hands of

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North Carolina's own money Nathan thanks

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TJ so Terry great to have you with us uh

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one of my good friends from high school

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actually is he's from Rock Hill from

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that area and uh I think some of his

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family's still there so I I'm familiar

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with it a little bit and uh and it's a

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it's a beautiful part of the state what

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I'd love to know just for our audience

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DJ as he mentioned just now they're not

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as familiar with this topic I'd love for

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you to kind of give a little

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introduction about how you got into

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Bigfoot and a little bit about your

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organization Rock Hill Bigfoot sure sure

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absolutely

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um actually let me share a photo with

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you here

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generational Family Farm

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that is about 2 000 acres and everything

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within that dark green either was owned

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by my relatives or friends of my

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relatives

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and right in the center there's a little

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green patch there that was my

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grandmother's house that's where I spent

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a lot of my Summers

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um you know growing up as a

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as a seven eight nine-year-old

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ten-year-old boy who just loved playing

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in the woods on that property there were

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Three Springs a couple of lakes it

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borders a major river in South Carolina

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I'm not going to tell you where

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any kind of game you could imagine deer

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turkey Hogs you know anything

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trees there was some pulp wood

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harvesting going on

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um you know cultivated Farmland so

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basically that's got everything you need

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for a Bigfoot habitat you got food you

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got water you got cover

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um you got ways to move around

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and I would often go walking in the

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woods back when a nine or ten year old

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boy could walk out in the woods by

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himself and just go wander if I was over

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there and my chores were done for the

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day I would just say hey Mom I'm gonna

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pack a sandwich or do something and go

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pick some Watercress and if the

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blueberries are in I'll pick some of

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those and just hang out and it was

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always okay we'll just be back an hour

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before Sunset because if we have to come

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looking for you you know what's going to

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happen yes ma'am get your switch out so

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yeah so I would I would always when I

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was in the woods

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I would always feel like I was somebody

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was watching me

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um it's not like a creepy thing like I

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was afraid or something was going to

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happen but it was just like if I turned

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around fast enough I'd see somebody duck

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down behind the hill or behind a tree or

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something and I never could figure out

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what it was

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um had some things happen I won't get

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into a lot of detail because there's a

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ton of them but

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um had some tree breaks that I really

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didn't understand what was going on

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there uh you know again growing up on a

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farm you my cousins would play the same

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places I would a lot of times so maybe

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they were skinning up a pine tree and

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snapped it off trying to you know

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there was a thing called Skin the cat

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that we did that you climb a little

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little skinny pine tree and try to bend

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it back over and touch the ground with

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your feet most often it would break off

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and you'd end up falling on your head

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so it could have been that you know I

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just I and at night I would hear strange

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my grandmother's Farmhouse was uh

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it was an old farmhouse it was probably

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well that's actually half not there

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anymore but it was over 150 years old

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it was heated with pot belly stoves it

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was a typical old farmhouse it had a

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green tin roof no screens on the Windows

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you had some curtains everything and

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there no air conditioning of course so

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in the summertime you opened the windows

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and prayed there was a breeze but

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um you know we so I'd sleep upstairs at

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night in the upstairs bedroom with the

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windows open and I learned what Bobcat

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sounded like I learned what foxes

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sounded like but I'd hear stuff every

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now and then that just was I couldn't

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figure it out

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it was just weird and then I guess when

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I was about 10 years old there's this

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little movie that came out

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um called The Legend of Boggy Creek

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I watched that and I knew exactly what I

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was dealing with

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and it probably took me about 10 years

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or sorry about two years to go back in

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the woods after I saw that movie

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um because my grandmother's Farmhouse

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had a wrap around front porch just like

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in that movie and when the hand came

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through that window and grabbed the girl

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on the shoulder oh that was that was it

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for me it was like nope I'm not I'm not

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sitting near a window at night again

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done that place but as as you know over

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those couple years it kind of

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just worked on me you know I like the

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woods

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I really don't want to be scared out of

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the woods even though I don't understand

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what this is because so far

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nothing's hurt me uh you know I'm not

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trying to push my luck or anything

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because as a 10 year old kid

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you're you know you don't know what's

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going on and we didn't have the internet

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back then we have these things called

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books that she had to read

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when I read I read everything that you

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could get that get my hands on there

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wasn't a whole lot out back then but I

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just soaked up everything I could and

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that's kind of what got me to this point

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in life about

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I guess about 2015 or 20 to end of 2014

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I decided you know I've got the means

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now and I'm I'm older I really want to

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get out and do this and figure out what

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this is I've been reading about it

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um I just want to know what's going on I

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I'm curious

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um I need to find some people that are

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doing this that

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um I can you know I'll see if I can go

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hang out with them and learn what's

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going on

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so I hooked up with a couple of guys in

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a group called

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it was oh gosh I can't remember David

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Pardue and Dave Moser with their names

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they're good guys and they kind of took

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me under their wing we we met before we

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went out in the woods and kind of

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convinced each other we weren't ax

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murderers or anything like that that's

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positive yeah yeah that's always a good

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thing yeah um because you know we don't

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know each other I don't know who they

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are they don't know who I am

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um but they were researching mostly up

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in the uwari National Forest so at this

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point

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um all I've ever seen is the Bigfoot

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shows on TV where they're out tromping

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through the woods in the middle of the

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night in the pitch black and you know

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they've got the little snury cams with

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the with the uh

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with the infrared GoPros and stuff like

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that on but they can't see where they're

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going

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to do uh so we went we were actually at

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a campsite in one of the uwari

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campgrounds

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and

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thinking okay well let's you know uh let

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me get my key I I truly I have no night

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vision stuff to this to this day I have

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one I do video stuff as well I have one

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little Sony uh Handycam that's ancient

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that I've had forever that still works

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and it's got night shot that's the only

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thing I have that sees in the dark

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um you know all the other cameras I have

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they're they're just cameras so I had

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that a couple other things and I figured

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okay well it's getting dark we we

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probably we need to be like gearing up

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and doing stuff and I asked uh David

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Pardue I said well

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so what's when do we start

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and he looked at me and he said well we

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already have

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and I said what do you mean we're just

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sitting around the fire he said yep

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and I said

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okay uh

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okay

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so we sat there just just chatting had

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had our evening meal it was dark

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we were just kind of sitting around

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talking you know not playing any loud

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music not not hooping and hollering just

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sitting around talking about stuff

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I got no idea what we're what's going on

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so I'm thinking

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okay it's getting late and nothing's

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going on it's getting on about 11 30 or

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so

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um I looked over at David another time

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and said so

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really this is this is what we're doing

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right and he said yep

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I'm thinking oh man well

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I don't know about this this is not like

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anything I expected but okay let's let's

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hang around a little longer

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um I had worked that day and I was

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getting tired

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and I was kind of a little nervous I was

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wound up because it's like I'm I'm

346
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looking for bigfoot so you know although

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we're sitting in a campground

348
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at a campsite

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so

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um we got on till about it got on about

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one o'clock and I said guys

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you know I I'm I'm tired I'm just gonna

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go

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crawling my tent and you guys call me if

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anything happens because I'm getting

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kind of disgusted and you know I didn't

357
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tell them that but I'm thinking well

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this is a waste of an evening and David

359
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looked over at me and he went

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wait

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I said what do you mean white he said

362
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wait

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okay

364
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about 15 minutes later I nothing's going

365
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on and I'm thinking this is nuts so I

366
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looked over at David and said well you

367
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know guys I I I'm whooped I'm gonna turn

368
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in and David looked over at me again and

369
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said

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wait

371
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15 minutes later we're sitting there

372
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we had a rock throwing the camp

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this is that rock

374
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we have a video of that rock being

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thrown into camp

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and we recovered that

377
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and they gave it to me for my souvenir

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at that point we had stuff going on we

379
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heard heard something in the in the

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brush now I'm going to tell you we

381
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um

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where we were yes it was a campsite

383
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but the area that this came from

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nobody could have gotten there we were

385
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there from daylight on

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nobody could have gotten there without

387
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us seeing them because the David and

388
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Dave had all the thermal gear you can

389
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think of that was available at that

390
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point

391
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and there's no way anybody could have

392
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gotten in there unless they had belly

393
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crawled in somebody from Fort Bragg had

394
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belly crawled in two days before and had

395
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been in a spider hole just waiting uh

396
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and if somebody was going to do that you

397
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know then the heck more power to them

398
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but

399
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um we were actually able to David had

400
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his thermal and The Rock was glowing hot

401
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it had well it was it had been held in

402
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something's hand it was much warmer than

403
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the rest of the Rocks around it there's

404
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actually that video is actually up on my

405
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YouTube channel there's not a lot on my

406
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YouTube channel but it's that's one of

407
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those that's up there you can see it

408
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being thrown into camp and you can see

409
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it clear as day it hits the ground the

410
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David scans around and finds it because

411
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it's glowing white hot in the thermal

412
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walks Dave Moser in on it and he picks

413
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it up brings it over and hands it to me

414
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and that was my souvenir and from that

415
00:17:04,370 --> 00:17:02,579
point on I was hooked I had to know what

416
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was going on

417
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that was it and that so that um and that

418
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took you was it I I thought it was one

419
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of the very early ones where you met up

420
00:17:17,150 --> 00:17:14,939
with the the yet to be named lady who I

421
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assume you'll name that was soon after

422
00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:20,699
soon after that yeah all right

423
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um that

424
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that one really is uh that's a

425
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life-changing moment

426
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that that you had so uh oh brother

427
00:17:34,610 --> 00:17:32,220
there's more would you are you guys okay

428
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:34,620
if if we get let Terry go right into

429
00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:36,480
that one

430
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absolutely

431
00:17:46,130 --> 00:17:42,000
go ahead sir you want you want the poker

432
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yeah man I mean yes yeah okay well um

433
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apparently

434
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um you guys know of or hang with some

435
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people that I do um Arla Williams is one

436
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of my other mentors

437
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um I love all of the deaths she's my

438
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Bigfoot mama and I have learned a ton

439
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:02,220
about things from her that's actually

440
00:18:07,850 --> 00:18:05,760
the respect between us that's actually a

441
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homage to her

442
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um she she says that a lot her saying is

443
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um and this is something that her

444
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grandmother told her as long as there's

445
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respect between us there'll be no

446
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problems

447
00:18:23,090 --> 00:18:21,299
um we're in their house we need to make

448
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sure that we are respectful of them in

449
00:18:26,330 --> 00:18:24,840
their house when we're out there

450
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so

451
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um I had been on several Gatherings with

452
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Arla in different places uh before

453
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um before this one and this was in uh

454
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North Georgia

455
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it was at a campground as well but this

456
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Campground it was

457
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it had a fire pit and a vault toilet and

458
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that was about it you had to drive down

459
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a

460
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but this thing's remote

461
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so we're in there we had

462
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you know we hung out hadn't seen each

463
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other for a long time there's a group of

464
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us that got together every once in a

465
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while and so we were chatting and saying

466
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hi and talking about things and got on

467
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towards

468
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um the evening now before this let me

469
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preface this is where DJ's story about

470
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the trash bag comes in normally when I

471
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go camping I will take a big garbage bag

472
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with me and clean up other stuff that

473
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people had left because

474
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sometimes people suck and leave their

475
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trash all over the place and that ticks

476
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me off a little bit so I just pack out

477
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whatever I can get a hold of and take it

478
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with me and I had set my tent up

479
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um actually let me see if

480
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I can share this with you

481
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um

482
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this is what I usually sleep in it's a

483
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little small one-man tent and not a lot

484
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of room in there and so I had set my

485
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tent up and usually what I'll do is

486
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:37,799
there's a term called bait because

487
00:20:42,830 --> 00:20:39,600
you'll hear a lot of Bigfoot people talk

488
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about that's the person who's like the

489
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the remote person who's off by

490
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themselves that if something's going to

491
00:20:51,169 --> 00:20:48,480
happen it's going to happen to them

492
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first I'm good with that so I always

493
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look for the remote areas the furthest

494
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away from the center of the camp

495
00:20:59,690 --> 00:20:57,480
um you know I'll look around and go well

496
00:21:01,070 --> 00:20:59,700
if I was a Bigfoot where would I find

497
00:21:03,169 --> 00:21:01,080
the most cover

498
00:21:05,870 --> 00:21:03,179
and you know what would be a good spot

499
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for them to observe me because I want to

500
00:21:10,010 --> 00:21:07,380
have something happen

501
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:10,020
so I found the spot uh set my tent up I

502
00:21:13,610 --> 00:21:11,760
was I was picking up trash back behind

503
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there Arla came back and was helping me

504
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and we were walking around and probably

505
00:21:24,409 --> 00:21:21,299
about uh 25 yards behind my tent was

506
00:21:26,150 --> 00:21:24,419
this big Fallen uh old growth tree it

507
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,160
was it was rotten it had fallen over

508
00:21:31,970 --> 00:21:28,320
this thing was huge and it kind of made

509
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a natural barrier and then beyond that

510
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about 25 feet is what I'm going to call

511
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the woods where if you step about three

512
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:40,799
steps into the mountain Laurels you're

513
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:43,440
gone nobody will see you or hear you if

514
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,080
you stand there quietly so we're picking

515
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up trash we're walking around we got

516
00:21:52,490 --> 00:21:51,059
done it got time for our evening meal we

517
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,500
all went back around sat around the

518
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campfire and

519
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,940
just hanging out talking

520
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and

521
00:22:03,110 --> 00:21:59,880
I've gotten to know Arla pretty pretty

522
00:22:07,010 --> 00:22:03,120
well and I I know there's Arla speak

523
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:07,020
and one of the terms that that Arla uses

524
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is

525
00:22:13,610 --> 00:22:10,620
I think I'm going to take a walk

526
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I have come to learn what that means is

527
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:15,659
I think we may have company

528
00:22:20,210 --> 00:22:18,240
so we're sitting around the campfire and

529
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,220
I hear her say

530
00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:22,799
I think I'm going to take a walk

531
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I said hmm can I come with you

532
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,260
and she said sure come on now it's dark

533
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:30,240
it is the kind of dark you only get in

534
00:22:36,529 --> 00:22:33,840
the Georgia Woods it is dark we got no

535
00:22:39,049 --> 00:22:36,539
flashlights no headlamps no nothing all

536
00:22:42,049 --> 00:22:39,059
it takes off walking like she's got

537
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:42,059
built-in radar I can't see where I'm

538
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,679
going I'm tripping over stuff and

539
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,840
stumbling trying to keep up with her you

540
00:22:50,930 --> 00:22:47,039
know I'm not paying attention where

541
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:50,940
we're headed and uh she's I'm just

542
00:22:56,330 --> 00:22:53,280
trying to follow her and not break my

543
00:22:57,950 --> 00:22:56,340
leg on a root ball or something so Terry

544
00:22:59,690 --> 00:22:57,960
can I just let these guys know this is

545
00:23:02,149 --> 00:22:59,700
the same experience Rick Taylor had

546
00:23:04,250 --> 00:23:02,159
where he said our little team walked

547
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,260
right to the blind but she didn't have a

548
00:23:09,049 --> 00:23:06,240
flashlight and she's just you know Come

549
00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:09,059
Close yeah yeah oh yeah she's I I yeah

550
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,740
she I that's that I'm gonna tell you

551
00:23:14,510 --> 00:23:12,000
guys something I don't know if you're

552
00:23:17,210 --> 00:23:14,520
familiar with what the term medicine in

553
00:23:19,850 --> 00:23:17,220
Native American means it's not what it

554
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,860
means in Western culture medicine in the

555
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,080
western culture is something a pill you

556
00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:24,240
take a surgery you have something

557
00:23:28,610 --> 00:23:26,580
medicine in the Native American World

558
00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:28,620
means something completely different

559
00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:31,020
always got medicine that's the only

560
00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:34,200
thing I don't how I don't know why but I

561
00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:36,120
have seen stuff happen that it's just

562
00:23:39,169 --> 00:23:37,080
like

563
00:23:42,110 --> 00:23:39,179
how did you know I was here

564
00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:42,120
how how did how did you know this was

565
00:23:45,649 --> 00:23:43,620
going to happen and that we needed to be

566
00:23:47,149 --> 00:23:45,659
here I don't get it

567
00:23:49,549 --> 00:23:47,159
um so anyway

568
00:23:51,770 --> 00:23:49,559
we're walking back and I realize she's

569
00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:51,780
headed right back behind my tent where

570
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,580
we were picking up the trash

571
00:23:57,289 --> 00:23:54,960
and I'm thinking well this is

572
00:24:00,649 --> 00:23:57,299
interesting uh okay

573
00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:00,659
so we get back to where that fallen tree

574
00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:03,059
is and we stop

575
00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:05,820
and she's standing there and she says oh

576
00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:08,100
they're they're coming they're coming

577
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,340
oh they're here there they are oh my

578
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:12,720
gosh there's three of them there's a big

579
00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:14,159
one there's a young one oh there's a

580
00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:16,260
little girl aren't you cute oh aren't

581
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:18,360
you cute oh you're so sweet thank you

582
00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:21,120
guys thank you guys for being here

583
00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:23,820
now I'm not seeing anything I'm just

584
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:25,260
standing there

585
00:24:31,010 --> 00:24:28,799
looking at the dark and I'm not seeing

586
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,020
what she's seeing

587
00:24:36,289 --> 00:24:33,840
and so I'm thinking well

588
00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:36,299
I know this woman pretty well I trust

589
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:37,380
her

590
00:24:47,390 --> 00:24:44,880
feelings what do I do and she's standing

591
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:47,400
there just talking to him and and just

592
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,900
like you're talking to like we're

593
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:50,640
talking now

594
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:54,480
um so I kind of lean over to her and say

595
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:55,200
um

596
00:25:01,549 --> 00:24:59,760
Arla I I can't see him like you can't

597
00:25:03,529 --> 00:25:01,559
I don't I don't understand and she

598
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,539
leaned back over to me and said well

599
00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:05,840
you're not supposed to right now

600
00:25:10,490 --> 00:25:08,220
and that one I almost had to make the

601
00:25:12,250 --> 00:25:10,500
Scooby-Doo noise on it was like

602
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:12,260
what

603
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:17,700
okay this is okay all right so she's

604
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:20,880
talking to him and I said um

605
00:25:26,570 --> 00:25:22,440
can I talk to him

606
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,580
and she said sure introduce yourself

607
00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:28,080
and I'm thinking well

608
00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:30,059
I may just be talking to the trees in

609
00:25:36,529 --> 00:25:32,340
the dark but hey let's try this

610
00:25:38,930 --> 00:25:36,539
so I go hi guys uh my name is Terry

611
00:25:41,390 --> 00:25:38,940
um I don't mean any harm to you or your

612
00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:41,400
family I can't see you like my friend

613
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:43,380
can right now but just wanted to let you

614
00:25:48,649 --> 00:25:44,159
know

615
00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:48,659
just curious and trying to learn about

616
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,000
you guys so I can maybe learn more about

617
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:54,240
myself so hope that's okay

618
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,840
um

619
00:25:59,390 --> 00:25:56,880
thanks for coming

620
00:26:02,269 --> 00:25:59,400
so our list starts talking to him again

621
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,279
and then she says and I I can't tell you

622
00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:03,840
how long this went on because my head

623
00:26:07,070 --> 00:26:05,880
was just like a like a merry-go-round at

624
00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:07,080
this point

625
00:26:12,169 --> 00:26:09,480
but it was I'm guessing it was probably

626
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,179
about 20 minutes or so

627
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,400
um right and then she she says oh oh

628
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,080
they're leaving you guys are leaving

629
00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:18,480
okay thank you thank you so much for

630
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:20,700
coming be careful I can see you be

631
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:22,440
careful thank you

632
00:26:25,370 --> 00:26:23,940
and she looks over at me and says okay

633
00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:25,380
they're gone

634
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:28,200
and I'm thinking okay I got no clue what

635
00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:30,900
just happened here but

636
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:31,559
um

637
00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:35,279
I'm okay I trust this woman I don't know

638
00:26:39,769 --> 00:26:37,140
what's up but I trust her

639
00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:39,779
so we go back and of course we go past

640
00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:43,080
my tent on the way back and there's only

641
00:26:47,169 --> 00:26:44,820
a like I think everybody had left the

642
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:47,179
fire at that point it was kind of late

643
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,880
so I just said yeah Arla I'm I'm gonna

644
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,799
flop over in my tent it's been a long

645
00:26:56,269 --> 00:26:54,480
drive

646
00:26:57,769 --> 00:26:56,279
um you know I'll catch up with you in

647
00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:57,779
the morning if that's okay and she said

648
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:00,360
sure let's we'll see at breakfast

649
00:27:07,370 --> 00:27:04,320
so I crawl in my tent and

650
00:27:10,909 --> 00:27:07,380
I'm my head my brain is just going like

651
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:10,919
doing loop-de-loops you know I'm trying

652
00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:13,440
to make sense of what just happened uh

653
00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:17,100
am I nuts is she nuts you know what the

654
00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:18,419
heck is going on

655
00:27:24,649 --> 00:27:23,340
normally when I'm I'm out like that uh I

656
00:27:26,990 --> 00:27:24,659
I normally keep I've got a little

657
00:27:29,810 --> 00:27:27,000
recorder this little recorder that I'll

658
00:27:31,310 --> 00:27:29,820
put up in the um in the cargo netting of

659
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,320
my tent above the tent and just leave it

660
00:27:35,450 --> 00:27:33,600
on all night most of the time it picks

661
00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:35,460
up me snoring

662
00:27:38,269 --> 00:27:37,260
um and that's all but I do every now and

663
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:38,279
then you get some really interesting

664
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,360
stuff

665
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,799
this night

666
00:27:44,930 --> 00:27:42,720
I didn't turn it on

667
00:27:48,110 --> 00:27:44,940
I don't know if I forgot or if that was

668
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,120
something somebody did I don't know but

669
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:50,159
it's just something that I usually do

670
00:27:56,269 --> 00:27:52,740
and I just didn't do it this night

671
00:27:58,250 --> 00:27:56,279
so I'm laying there and I sleep on my

672
00:28:00,890 --> 00:27:58,260
side and I'm I'm kind of back up towards

673
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:00,900
the edge of the wall of the tent the

674
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,600
door was facing the uh the fire pit and

675
00:28:06,769 --> 00:28:05,279
the back side of the wall was facing the

676
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,779
tree where the falling tree where we'd

677
00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:08,880
come from so I'm laying in there and

678
00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:10,440
just trying to make sense of what's

679
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,900
going on you know am I crazy what the

680
00:28:17,149 --> 00:28:14,640
heck is happening

681
00:28:18,890 --> 00:28:17,159
from behind my tent

682
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:18,900
I hear

683
00:28:23,950 --> 00:28:20,460
for one

684
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,450
and it's getting closer

685
00:28:30,529 --> 00:28:28,799
and I'm all of a sudden I'm wide awake

686
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:30,539
you know and you hear these people say

687
00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:32,279
oh I don't know if I was dreaming or I

688
00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:34,260
you know I could have been a drink no I

689
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,840
was as awake then as I am right now

690
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:38,640
and I hear

691
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:43,919
something huge walk up behind my tent

692
00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:47,520
and stop right outside my tent

693
00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:49,620
now at this point

694
00:28:54,289 --> 00:28:52,500
I am about to freak out because I'm

695
00:28:56,269 --> 00:28:54,299
laying there and it's like

696
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,279
oh my gosh there's a Bigfoot standing

697
00:29:01,250 --> 00:28:59,039
behind my tent I I got no explanation

698
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,260
you know I've heard squirrels jump

699
00:29:06,649 --> 00:29:03,840
around in the brush at night I've heard

700
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:06,659
rats rooting around and Chipmunks No

701
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,600
this was if Andre the Giant had strapped

702
00:29:15,769 --> 00:29:12,240
cinder blocks on his feet

703
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,779
and stomped around that's close to what

704
00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:17,760
this sounded like whatever it was was

705
00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:19,080
massive

706
00:29:23,149 --> 00:29:20,580
and it's standing right out behind my

707
00:29:24,889 --> 00:29:23,159
tent so I'm freaking out

708
00:29:26,690 --> 00:29:24,899
oh my gosh oh my gosh what's what's

709
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:26,700
what's he gonna do what am I going to do

710
00:29:30,409 --> 00:29:28,740
this is crazy is he going to rip through

711
00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:30,419
my tent eat my face off what's what's

712
00:29:35,090 --> 00:29:33,179
going on I don't know what to do

713
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:35,100
um you know what can I do I don't know

714
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:37,860
and about that time I hear from behind

715
00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:45,250
like a huge sigh almost like

716
00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:48,419
what am I gonna do with this guy

717
00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:51,000
and so I'm I'm just laying there like oh

718
00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:52,740
dear Lord oh dear Lord he's right

719
00:29:58,490 --> 00:29:54,360
outside my tent what am I going to do

720
00:29:59,630 --> 00:29:58,500
and about that time I feel through my

721
00:30:01,250 --> 00:29:59,640
tent wall

722
00:30:04,190 --> 00:30:01,260
a finger

723
00:30:06,769 --> 00:30:04,200
about this size

724
00:30:09,289 --> 00:30:06,779
poke me in the shoulder

725
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,299
right in my shoulder blade

726
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,279
now you think my head was spinning

727
00:30:16,010 --> 00:30:13,919
before Oh no I'm at a whole I'm at a

728
00:30:18,590 --> 00:30:16,020
whole nother level here

729
00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:18,600
um and no this was not a dog's nose or a

730
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:21,059
coyote this was not a stick it was a

731
00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:24,240
finger this big I could feel the nail on

732
00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:26,460
the end of the finger

733
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,440
I'm laying inside my tent and I am

734
00:30:31,310 --> 00:30:30,240
freaking out oh my gosh he's poking me

735
00:30:32,930 --> 00:30:31,320
in the shoulder

736
00:30:35,450 --> 00:30:32,940
um what's he gonna do what am I gonna do

737
00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:35,460
what and then it dawned on me

738
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,080
well Terry

739
00:30:42,769 --> 00:30:39,120
there's nothing you can do

740
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:42,779
and frankly he's not doing anything

741
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,700
he's just poking you in the shoulder he

742
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:46,559
could rip through this tent carry you

743
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:49,520
off like the uh Albert ostman Thunderman

744
00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:52,620
you know but he's not doing it he's he's

745
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:53,940
standing there poking in the shoulder

746
00:30:58,370 --> 00:30:56,640
this is so cool Bigfoot's poking me in

747
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:58,380
the shoulder behind my tent oh this is

748
00:31:02,330 --> 00:30:59,460
so cool

749
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,340
so I'm all of a sudden things changed

750
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,320
and you know your brain runs through

751
00:31:09,769 --> 00:31:07,200
everything that it you could try and

752
00:31:11,810 --> 00:31:09,779
imagine it to be to protect you to keep

753
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,820
you from going into shock and that's

754
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,159
what I was in before uh when I was

755
00:31:18,169 --> 00:31:16,320
freaking out and then once I calmed down

756
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:18,179
and realized you know whatever's going

757
00:31:21,649 --> 00:31:19,679
to happen is going to happen and he's

758
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:21,659
not hurting me then all of a sudden

759
00:31:26,029 --> 00:31:23,700
things changed it was like this is so

760
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:26,039
cool this is absolutely the coolest

761
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:27,600
thing that's ever happened to me and at

762
00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:30,000
that point it was and about that point I

763
00:31:36,350 --> 00:31:33,539
feel the finger go whoop back out

764
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:36,360
now this is a really freaky part I heard

765
00:31:43,210 --> 00:31:38,960
him walk up I never heard him leave

766
00:31:45,950 --> 00:31:43,220
nothing just gone you could feel

767
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,960
you can feel the presence was gone there

768
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:48,000
was no noise there was nothing

769
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:51,600
so I got no explanation for that but I

770
00:31:56,269 --> 00:31:53,580
went to sleep I was just you know I was

771
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,279
absolutely just giddy

772
00:32:00,110 --> 00:31:58,080
um laying there I went to sleep had a

773
00:32:01,669 --> 00:32:00,120
great night's sleep got up the next

774
00:32:02,930 --> 00:32:01,679
morning came tearing out of my tent

775
00:32:05,210 --> 00:32:02,940
there were people sitting around the

776
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:05,220
fire pit so I come screaming out like a

777
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:07,080
madman oh my gosh oh my gosh you guys

778
00:32:10,370 --> 00:32:07,919
are gonna believe what happened to me

779
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,380
last night oh my gosh and they just

780
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:12,240
looked at me and Grand and Arlo was

781
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:13,440
sitting there and Arla just looked at me

782
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,340
and Grand

783
00:32:18,649 --> 00:32:17,279
and it's like you knew didn't you you

784
00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:18,659
knew

785
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:20,340
how did you know

786
00:32:27,529 --> 00:32:24,600
so anyway that was my tent Poker Story

787
00:32:29,090 --> 00:32:27,539
um and that actually kind of made me

788
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:29,100
realize you know

789
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:31,260
I've been close enough if they wanted to

790
00:32:36,169 --> 00:32:33,720
hurt me they could they've had every

791
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:36,179
opportunity but they haven't

792
00:32:41,389 --> 00:32:38,700
now having said that anybody can have a

793
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:41,399
bad day even Bigfoot so I'm not

794
00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:43,980
suggesting that people just wander

795
00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:46,740
haphazardly through the woods

796
00:32:51,950 --> 00:32:49,860
um but for me at least it's kind of a

797
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,960
sense now of

798
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:53,760
I'm not

799
00:33:00,590 --> 00:32:58,399
like I was before

800
00:33:02,510 --> 00:33:00,600
it's still creepy in the woods because

801
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:02,520
it's dark and there's a lot of things in

802
00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:04,500
the woods besides Bigfoot that have

803
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,360
claws and teeth and walk around on four

804
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:08,880
legs that would think we taste real good

805
00:33:13,549 --> 00:33:10,020
with ketchup

806
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:13,559
so be careful don't just go wandering

807
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:15,679
around like you're in Disneyland

808
00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:19,140
but again for me that was the point

809
00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:21,240
where I realized I don't think they're

810
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,860
trying to hurt me

811
00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:24,480
um I don't think they want to hurt me I

812
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,200
I as long as I'm respectful and don't do

813
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:29,760
stupid things don't threaten their

814
00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:33,240
family don't get too close to the kids

815
00:33:36,009 --> 00:33:34,140
um

816
00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:36,019
they really they'll leave me alone

817
00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:38,580
they're curious they're all oftentimes

818
00:33:42,009 --> 00:33:40,200
they're as curious about us as we are

819
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,019
about them the juveniles especially

820
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:44,159
that's kind of what I think was going on

821
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:48,000
with the rock throwing we are their TV I

822
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:49,760
kind of tell people that

823
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:52,799
so that was that story

824
00:33:57,230 --> 00:33:55,080
um and there's

825
00:33:59,389 --> 00:33:57,240
a lot more but at the point at that

826
00:34:02,090 --> 00:33:59,399
point that was the high point of my life

827
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:02,100
and where I I can only imagine and we're

828
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,120
going to get into that I want to let

829
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,000
Debs have a chance at this and I I and I

830
00:34:09,950 --> 00:34:08,159
will I'll tell a quick ditty about a

831
00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:09,960
researcher who finally did have a face

832
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:12,419
to face and as you said because of the

833
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,460
scenario it ended up being really scary

834
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,560
but let me let me turn this over to Debs

835
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:18,960
please yeah so many questions but one of

836
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:21,060
them is you were talking about sounds

837
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:24,240
that you've heard and have you heard the

838
00:34:29,329 --> 00:34:26,700
recording that another researcher put

839
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:29,339
out as sounds and had analyzed I want to

840
00:34:36,829 --> 00:34:32,159
know if it was the same sound or when

841
00:34:40,849 --> 00:34:38,869
you mean uh when I was at my

842
00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:40,859
grandmother's or

843
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:42,300
um yeah those sounds that you've heard

844
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:45,240
in the woods um there's a specific

845
00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:48,119
person who I think he was near one of

846
00:34:53,389 --> 00:34:51,000
the national parks did a recording that

847
00:34:55,129 --> 00:34:53,399
got analyzed I was just wondering if you

848
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,139
listened to it and said yep that's what

849
00:34:59,570 --> 00:34:57,599
I heard oh yes absolutely

850
00:35:01,310 --> 00:34:59,580
um the database of all the I can't

851
00:35:03,650 --> 00:35:01,320
remember the database name but the one

852
00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:03,660
of all the known animal sounds that

853
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:06,359
we've recorded so far uh it's a public

854
00:35:09,770 --> 00:35:08,760
database we've got a friend or I've Got

855
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,780
a Friend

856
00:35:14,089 --> 00:35:11,520
um that I hang out with his name's Matt

857
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:14,099
not not the Finding Bigfoot Matt but

858
00:35:17,930 --> 00:35:16,500
another Matt he is actually probably one

859
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,940
of the best fiddle players in the state

860
00:35:24,050 --> 00:35:20,400
of North Carolina but he loves doing

861
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,060
audio analysis he's great at it and he

862
00:35:29,569 --> 00:35:26,880
has recorded sounds that we have heard

863
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:29,579
uh when we've been out together and you

864
00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:31,020
look at them and they don't match any

865
00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:33,780
footprint of anything known and yes

866
00:35:37,130 --> 00:35:35,880
since I've had the opportunity to hear

867
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:37,140
stuff that

868
00:35:41,690 --> 00:35:39,180
you know nobody has actually seen

869
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:41,700
Bigfoot making these noises that I know

870
00:35:45,970 --> 00:35:44,520
of but it fits with the experiences that

871
00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:45,980
people have had

872
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:47,579
so

873
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:49,980
um yes I would say that a lot of the

874
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,920
things that I heard looking back were

875
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:54,720
were Bigfoot

876
00:35:58,910 --> 00:35:57,300
um you know a little a little red fox if

877
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,920
you don't know what it is can make a

878
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,720
noise that will have you convinced

879
00:36:03,950 --> 00:36:02,640
there's an 800 pound monster about to

880
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:03,960
come out of the woods and eat your face

881
00:36:09,470 --> 00:36:07,020
off and it's a little red fox

882
00:36:12,290 --> 00:36:09,480
um you know I just recently learned that

883
00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:12,300
Panthers Panthers cougars can whistle

884
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,280
it's the craziest thing it's actually a

885
00:36:19,069 --> 00:36:16,400
a Mew that they do

886
00:36:21,410 --> 00:36:19,079
but it sounds like a whistle and if you

887
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,420
ever hear it be careful because it means

888
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:23,280
they're very very close to you and it's

889
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,040
a very it's a very quiet sound

890
00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:29,040
goats at night will make a noise that

891
00:36:32,650 --> 00:36:30,660
sounds like people mumbling when they're

892
00:36:35,450 --> 00:36:32,660
in heat they just they make this

893
00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:35,460
noise this sounds like people that you

894
00:36:39,890 --> 00:36:37,740
can't understand mumbling so I know what

895
00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:39,900
that stuff sounds like I know what

896
00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:42,839
Bobcats sound like I've heard screams at

897
00:36:48,530 --> 00:36:44,339
my grandmother's and also at other

898
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:48,540
places most recently in Walhalla that

899
00:36:53,329 --> 00:36:51,420
there's no way it could be a human first

900
00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:53,339
of all that they don't match the the

901
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:55,800
profile the spectral profile

902
00:37:02,750 --> 00:36:58,560
but whatever this is has way more lung

903
00:37:05,450 --> 00:37:02,760
power and is has a way deeper resonant

904
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:05,460
cavity in their chest than we could ever

905
00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:09,359
do so yeah I I know I know now what I

906
00:37:14,089 --> 00:37:10,859
was hearing

907
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:14,099
and and to tell real quick at what Rick

908
00:37:18,109 --> 00:37:16,200
said about how things can turn real

909
00:37:20,030 --> 00:37:18,119
quickly you guys remember I went to

910
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,040
Ocala national forest I went out with

911
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,740
the uh the Ladies down there and uh and

912
00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:25,200
also Tim T from green swamp we all went

913
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:27,180
out together and there was a researcher

914
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:29,640
that started there and his wife he was a

915
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,260
real estate agent his wife had a job

916
00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:33,359
where they could move out to that area

917
00:37:38,569 --> 00:37:36,180
around where Oregon meets Washington so

918
00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:38,579
I I don't know if I could remember the

919
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,980
mountain range uh Terry but one of those

920
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:42,720
mountain ranges where they're just you

921
00:37:46,490 --> 00:37:44,520
know massive Bigfoot and lots of

922
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,500
sightings so he moved there and spent

923
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:48,839
seven years researching and had some

924
00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:50,520
days where he just thought man I'm not

925
00:37:54,589 --> 00:37:52,200
seeing anything I'm ready to quit doing

926
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:54,599
this and one day he went to wash out his

927
00:37:59,150 --> 00:37:57,420
fry pan at the creek he saw tracks going

928
00:38:02,089 --> 00:37:59,160
away from the creek

929
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,099
uh Bigfoot tracks he followed them and

930
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,560
one was one of those sentries

931
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:06,960
um uh and basically the centuries will

932
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:09,359
protect the main body where you have the

933
00:38:13,069 --> 00:38:11,640
alpha male you have the females and you

934
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:13,079
have the children in these sort of

935
00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:16,020
centuries will will form a perimeter and

936
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:17,640
if you get close to that perimeter they

937
00:38:21,410 --> 00:38:18,960
will let you know that you're you're

938
00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:21,420
close they're gonna miss you back yes

939
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:23,460
sir and this is in broad daylight one

940
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:25,320
walked right out on the trail in front

941
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,079
of them and he literally turned around

942
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,960
he threw up his breakfast and that was

943
00:38:35,089 --> 00:38:32,640
the moment when he said you know what

944
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:35,099
I've had enough after about seven years

945
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:37,380
and this man had been on I mean he kid

946
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:39,720
he goes through talking about kidding up

947
00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:41,640
his van and how many groups of people he

948
00:38:45,710 --> 00:38:43,260
took out and

949
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:45,720
um how many Expeditions he's been on and

950
00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:48,119
lead and had gotten bored with it

951
00:38:52,609 --> 00:38:50,220
because nothing was happening well you

952
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,619
know you bad you know bad big fun in the

953
00:38:57,410 --> 00:38:54,960
back the Bigfoot let him go is the

954
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:57,420
bottom line but it scared the absolute

955
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,040
Daylights out of them right and that's

956
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:01,680
that's absolutely again what I've come

957
00:39:06,349 --> 00:39:04,680
to learn is he the Bigfoot if that

958
00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:06,359
Bigfoot had wanted him there was nothing

959
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,220
that guy could have done he'd run him

960
00:39:13,250 --> 00:39:10,079
down and squashed him like a bug yeah

961
00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:13,260
but he didn't his job was to push the

962
00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:16,980
fellow back from the nursery or wherever

963
00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:18,540
um that's where I think it's my personal

964
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,700
opinion that's where I think a lot of

965
00:39:24,650 --> 00:39:22,560
the stories that you hear coming out of

966
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:24,660
you know oh we were fishing in Bigfoot

967
00:39:29,329 --> 00:39:26,700
Ramy out of the woods and they threw

968
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:29,339
stuff and they were screaming well do

969
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:30,720
you ever think that maybe where you were

970
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:32,880
fishing was his grocery store and you

971
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:35,400
were in the way and he had to go get

972
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:37,560
food to take back to miss Bigfoot and

973
00:39:40,910 --> 00:39:38,760
the kids and if he went back

974
00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:40,920
empty-handed he was going to be in

975
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:43,740
trouble with Mrs Bigfoot so he needs to

976
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,480
get to where you are get through your

977
00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:47,280
camp and he's trying to get you out of

978
00:39:50,750 --> 00:39:49,500
his way so he can eat

979
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:50,760
um you know just things like that that

980
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:53,760
people don't normally stop and think you

981
00:39:59,450 --> 00:39:56,280
know what was it that we were doing that

982
00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:00,950
I want to say thank you too much

983
00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:02,460
information I thought it was Blue

984
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,380
Mountains but I didn't want to say the

985
00:40:08,210 --> 00:40:06,480
wrong name but thank you very much I

986
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:08,220
appreciate you being here

987
00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:09,839
um so anyway let me turn over to money

988
00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:12,780
Nathan and then Terry can go into his

989
00:40:20,290 --> 00:40:15,420
next experience uh maybe maybe the

990
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,300
portal one but oh man okay go ahead

991
00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:22,800
and Terry I want to get your thoughts on

992
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:26,460
uh kind of where we are now in society

993
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:28,920
it seems from my perspective and maybe

994
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,160
this is not accurate but that uh modern

995
00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:34,560
people typically aren't wanting to get

996
00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:36,540
out into the forest as much anymore and

997
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:39,000
do you kind of see that as a as a good

998
00:40:43,730 --> 00:40:41,400
thing for bigfoot that maybe they might

999
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:43,740
be left alone or like what are your

1000
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,380
thoughts on people wanting the the

1001
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,000
encounters and more people trying to

1002
00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:49,920
find them and you know what's the right

1003
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,780
balance there in your opinion since

1004
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,520
you've been doing this yourself yeah

1005
00:40:56,990 --> 00:40:55,200
good good question

1006
00:40:59,450 --> 00:40:57,000
um I think there there needs to be a

1007
00:41:00,829 --> 00:40:59,460
balance I think they are often as I said

1008
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:00,839
I think they're often as curious about

1009
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:03,359
us as we are about them especially the

1010
00:41:05,690 --> 00:41:04,920
youngsters

1011
00:41:08,750 --> 00:41:05,700
um

1012
00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:08,760
coven For Better or Worse

1013
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,880
um sent people to Camping they learned

1014
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:13,680
that you could disperse you could go out

1015
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:16,800
and Camp you could be out in the woods

1016
00:41:19,550 --> 00:41:18,060
um you know that was one of the things

1017
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:19,560
that you could do during all the

1018
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:23,339
lockdowns and the uwari national forest

1019
00:41:29,329 --> 00:41:26,460
got absolutely overrun with people

1020
00:41:31,069 --> 00:41:29,339
and this was just this was not just

1021
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:31,079
people tent camping or in their little

1022
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,940
trailers or anything this was like

1023
00:41:38,510 --> 00:41:35,280
people coming out with their big you

1024
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:38,520
know a big canopy tents and setting up

1025
00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:41,280
the you know two and three campsites

1026
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,320
full of stuff and the kids are out all

1027
00:41:47,210 --> 00:41:45,359
running around playing soccer games in

1028
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:47,220
the roads and

1029
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:48,480
um and which is fine I mean you know

1030
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:49,980
that's that's absolutely great because

1031
00:41:55,970 --> 00:41:52,800
people are out enjoying the woods

1032
00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:55,980
but in the uwhari in particular that

1033
00:42:00,650 --> 00:41:58,380
drove all the squatches back deeper into

1034
00:42:02,270 --> 00:42:00,660
the woods that much that much activity

1035
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:02,280
going on

1036
00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:05,160
um so it's it kind of dried up during

1037
00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:08,220
all that and again I you know I'm glad

1038
00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:10,380
that people are getting out experiencing

1039
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:13,320
the outdoors and learning about things

1040
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,540
uh that are you know

1041
00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:18,240
outside of their normal daily lives you

1042
00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:19,980
know we we tend to walk around again

1043
00:42:24,290 --> 00:42:21,900
like like this with our with our cell

1044
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,300
phones most of the day we don't pay

1045
00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:26,160
attention which is why we miss a lot of

1046
00:42:31,849 --> 00:42:28,740
the Bigfoot stuff in the woods so that's

1047
00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:31,859
a good thing but yes I think at some

1048
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:33,060
point

1049
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:34,980
too much is enough

1050
00:42:41,089 --> 00:42:38,400
and you don't want to overburden the the

1051
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,099
campsite areas uh you know there are

1052
00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:43,680
limits to how many how many campsites

1053
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:46,500
there are for a reason

1054
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,820
um so

1055
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,680
you know it's it's there's a delicate

1056
00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:51,599
balance I'm not quite sure personally

1057
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,700
where that is

1058
00:42:58,370 --> 00:42:55,680
um that's why I always when I'm out I

1059
00:43:00,349 --> 00:42:58,380
try and be respectful of the woods

1060
00:43:02,329 --> 00:43:00,359
um of the water of the land and of other

1061
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:02,339
people and whatever else is living in

1062
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:04,560
the woods because again we're in their

1063
00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:08,040
house and you know if somebody came in

1064
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:09,900
my house and was misbehaving and trashed

1065
00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:12,660
up my front yard I'd be upset and then

1066
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,000
if they came in my front door and sat

1067
00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:17,040
down or if they're I don't know who you

1068
00:43:21,290 --> 00:43:19,740
are or there's kids my kids I don't have

1069
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,300
kids but my kids playing in the backyard

1070
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,520
and I look out in the out the backyard

1071
00:43:26,690 --> 00:43:24,960
and there's somebody hanging over the

1072
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:26,700
fence talking to my kids that I don't

1073
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:27,660
know

1074
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:30,720
I'm gonna take some action

1075
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:32,760
um I think that's the same thing we see

1076
00:43:38,329 --> 00:43:36,060
a lot of times you know they they are

1077
00:43:41,690 --> 00:43:38,339
they are family oriented they travel in

1078
00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:41,700
Clans uh at least that's my opinion

1079
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:44,760
um they have family groups and you know

1080
00:43:49,309 --> 00:43:46,859
they have the centuries

1081
00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:49,319
um they have several different layers of

1082
00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:53,400
protection and their job is to push you

1083
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:56,520
back if you get too close so that's just

1084
00:44:01,250 --> 00:43:58,800
that's actually relating to a story I'll

1085
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:01,260
tell you later uh that my latest thing

1086
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:04,319
that happened up in Walhalla so but

1087
00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:05,280
anyway

1088
00:44:07,569 --> 00:44:06,780
um does that kind of answer your

1089
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:07,579
question

1090
00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:10,740
no it totally does and I think that what

1091
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:13,260
came to mind as well just listening to

1092
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:16,380
you how The Importance of Being in

1093
00:44:20,569 --> 00:44:18,660
nature it's having a conservationist

1094
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:20,579
mindset you know this is something that

1095
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:23,460
I think uh in many ways we've kind of

1096
00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:26,520
lost we're so used to sort of consuming

1097
00:44:31,970 --> 00:44:29,880
and Disposal things and but when you're

1098
00:44:34,849 --> 00:44:31,980
in nature when you are camping you have

1099
00:44:36,589 --> 00:44:34,859
to think about what you have and and you

1100
00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:36,599
have to manage your resources and

1101
00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:38,700
because you you can't just walk next

1102
00:44:43,010 --> 00:44:40,440
door to the grocery store and get what

1103
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:43,020
you need so you know I'm a proponent of

1104
00:44:47,329 --> 00:44:44,819
that I think camping is is good it's

1105
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,339
good for the soul it's also good for uh

1106
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:50,160
you know your character as a person

1107
00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:52,020
um and so you know from my vantage point

1108
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:54,839
if we can get folks interested in being

1109
00:45:01,130 --> 00:44:58,560
in nature more that's a net positive uh

1110
00:45:03,230 --> 00:45:01,140
but I am also sensitive to the habitats

1111
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,240
not just Bigfoot but what any other

1112
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,760
animal habitat that is there that that

1113
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:07,440
we could infringe upon we certainly

1114
00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:10,020
don't want to do that either right my

1115
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:12,839
again my my thought on that is a tag

1116
00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:16,740
along you know if you you don't know we

1117
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:18,420
don't respect the land anymore we don't

1118
00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:21,000
respect the water and then when you get

1119
00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:23,940
out in the woods you realize oh my gosh

1120
00:45:28,910 --> 00:45:26,220
this this whole other world that I've

1121
00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:28,920
been cut off drum I've cut myself off

1122
00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:31,079
from it this is what people are talking

1123
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:33,540
about when they talk about conservation

1124
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:36,240
and and being being good to the planet

1125
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:39,240
and I'm you know I'm not a Eco Thumper

1126
00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:40,920
or anything like that but it's just it's

1127
00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:42,420
common sense

1128
00:45:45,470 --> 00:45:43,980
um you know even dogs don't poop where

1129
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:45,480
they sleep and eat they're smart enough

1130
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,460
to do that

1131
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,680
yeah and it not even need to be

1132
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,359
characterized like you said it's just

1133
00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:53,520
it's common sense they become sort of

1134
00:45:57,470 --> 00:45:55,740
these political dog whistle words but

1135
00:46:00,050 --> 00:45:57,480
it's just common sense don't you know

1136
00:46:01,130 --> 00:46:00,060
take care of stuff that that you have or

1137
00:46:03,170 --> 00:46:01,140
it won't be there it's like taking

1138
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:03,180
exactly your car or your home or

1139
00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:04,920
anything else

1140
00:46:07,609 --> 00:46:06,180
um what I was going to say I want to

1141
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:07,619
answer Julie's question real quick

1142
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:09,480
because I I get what you're saying Jules

1143
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,960
this gentleman was very intelligent

1144
00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:14,640
um Turned and

1145
00:46:20,089 --> 00:46:18,180
there's a long Arc of his career in in

1146
00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:20,099
this and when he put a lot of time

1147
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,859
effort money Blood Sweat and Tears his

1148
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,480
wife even came out with him many times

1149
00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:26,880
he took other people out he would get

1150
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:30,119
upset when he took a female ass hey I

1151
00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:31,680
want to go out Expedition with you and

1152
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:32,940
then she was all worried about getting

1153
00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:35,640
made up in the woods so it was a long

1154
00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:38,460
Arc of his thing where he never he had

1155
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:40,680
some sightings and heard howls and heard

1156
00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:43,680
footsteps and had been uh paced out and

1157
00:46:48,170 --> 00:46:45,660
all these sorts of things but never had

1158
00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:48,180
that daylight first person encounter and

1159
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,240
when he did it was so close and so

1160
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:53,040
personal it scared the hell out of him

1161
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,560
and and you can understand that

1162
00:46:58,910 --> 00:46:57,119
um you know if you're I don't remember

1163
00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:58,920
how many feet away but it was right in

1164
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:01,020
front of him basically and and it just

1165
00:47:05,089 --> 00:47:03,060
scared the hell out of him and and he uh

1166
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:05,099
like I said he fell to his knees turned

1167
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,800
around threw up looked back Bigfoot's

1168
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:09,839
kind of like okay are you done yet

1169
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:12,480
there's your Camp go and then he walked

1170
00:47:16,849 --> 00:47:14,520
back to where his pickup truck was and

1171
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,859
and I think that was kind of like the be

1172
00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:18,480
that was kind of like the end for him

1173
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:20,760
not saying he he has a passing interest

1174
00:47:25,130 --> 00:47:22,800
now but he's not out in the woods every

1175
00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:25,140
people get addicted to this I mean this

1176
00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:27,420
is something that people are in the

1177
00:47:32,030 --> 00:47:29,700
woods every week and and an addiction

1178
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:32,040
can be you know it's not necessarily a

1179
00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:33,599
bad thing but if you watch the John

1180
00:47:38,210 --> 00:47:35,400
Green movie you can see how it can be a

1181
00:47:39,650 --> 00:47:38,220
bad thing absolutely so um so and you

1182
00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:39,660
can't let your family life suffer

1183
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,060
because of that uh you know you have a

1184
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:44,480
responsibility here in this world too

1185
00:47:50,930 --> 00:47:47,400
my wife often and I love my wife to

1186
00:47:52,490 --> 00:47:50,940
death um she puts up with a lot we she's

1187
00:47:55,490 --> 00:47:52,500
actually my childhood sweetheart we got

1188
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:55,500
separated from years and years ago uh

1189
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:58,140
reunited again about uh I guess 10 or 12

1190
00:48:03,410 --> 00:48:00,660
years ago and got married and I sat her

1191
00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:03,420
down when I knew that we were we were

1192
00:48:08,270 --> 00:48:04,980
headed where we were headed and it's

1193
00:48:10,910 --> 00:48:08,280
like okay I gotta tell her what I do um

1194
00:48:12,589 --> 00:48:10,920
let's just see what happens so we were

1195
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:12,599
out to dinner one night and I sit in the

1196
00:48:17,089 --> 00:48:15,359
table and I said sweetie um there's

1197
00:48:18,770 --> 00:48:17,099
something I got to tell you

1198
00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:18,780
um I don't know how to don't know how to

1199
00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:20,819
tell you this and she's got she got this

1200
00:48:25,849 --> 00:48:23,880
look on her face like oh God he's

1201
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:25,859
already married or he's an Ax Murderer

1202
00:48:29,809 --> 00:48:28,260
or something I could see it and I said

1203
00:48:32,569 --> 00:48:29,819
um

1204
00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:32,579
I'm a Bigfoot researcher I go out in the

1205
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:34,440
woods and look for Bigfoot and I'm

1206
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:36,359
waiting for the you know for the other

1207
00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:39,599
shoe to drop check please yeah and and

1208
00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:41,160
we're at a restaurant so I'm thinking

1209
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:42,660
she can't make too much of a scene

1210
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:45,359
because we're in public so I I might be

1211
00:48:49,609 --> 00:48:48,000
safe and she's just dead silent for a

1212
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:49,619
minute and I'm thinking well I'm done

1213
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:52,020
I'm I'm done it's over

1214
00:48:56,030 --> 00:48:53,760
and all of a sudden she just looks at me

1215
00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:56,040
and goes is that all

1216
00:49:00,890 --> 00:48:58,619
is that all I thought you were some kind

1217
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:00,900
of crazed murderer or some on the run

1218
00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:03,420
from the law or something oh my gosh

1219
00:49:06,829 --> 00:49:05,880
so you know I got to give her a lot of

1220
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:06,839
credit

1221
00:49:10,250 --> 00:49:07,500
um

1222
00:49:11,329 --> 00:49:10,260
but yeah to get back to your to get back

1223
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:11,339
to the point

1224
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,420
um

1225
00:49:16,490 --> 00:49:14,640
you know you you have even Arlo will

1226
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,500
tell you uh that's one of the things

1227
00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:17,760
that she and I have talked about at

1228
00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:21,000
length this can become an obsession I

1229
00:49:25,250 --> 00:49:23,700
love going in the woods it's just fun

1230
00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:25,260
um you know I went last time I was in

1231
00:49:29,809 --> 00:49:27,300
the woods of my wife we were at a state

1232
00:49:31,849 --> 00:49:29,819
park we did nothing but sit around and

1233
00:49:33,650 --> 00:49:31,859
there were squirrels all in the trees

1234
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:33,660
above us we sat in our camp chairs we

1235
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,460
made up stories about the squirrels we

1236
00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:37,440
gave them names they had backstories

1237
00:49:40,849 --> 00:49:39,720
they had jobs

1238
00:49:42,349 --> 00:49:40,859
um you know that was that was how we

1239
00:49:46,609 --> 00:49:42,359
entertained ourselves it was just fun

1240
00:49:49,250 --> 00:49:46,619
but you can let it get into your your

1241
00:49:52,130 --> 00:49:49,260
skin and under your skin

1242
00:49:53,569 --> 00:49:52,140
and my wife has asked me on several

1243
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:53,579
occasions what are you going to do when

1244
00:49:56,089 --> 00:49:54,720
you finally see one because I know

1245
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:56,099
that's what you want to do and I said

1246
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:57,119
honey

1247
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,720
I don't know you know at that point

1248
00:50:07,010 --> 00:50:02,880
I I know they're real but at that point

1249
00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:07,020
they become real because I've seen them

1250
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:10,020
um I don't know I I may back off from

1251
00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:13,560
this I may I don't know nobody knows it

1252
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:15,180
yeah I can't answer that question

1253
00:50:19,490 --> 00:50:16,980
because it hasn't happened yet

1254
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:19,500
I've told these guys I have no idea what

1255
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,839
I'm going to do when when one of those

1256
00:50:25,609 --> 00:50:23,520
moments happen where there's rocks or

1257
00:50:27,530 --> 00:50:25,619
footsteps I went out in a lot of woods

1258
00:50:29,329 --> 00:50:27,540
last weekend there's a couple howls

1259
00:50:30,829 --> 00:50:29,339
nothing happened but if they had been

1260
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,839
really close maybe I would have just

1261
00:50:33,950 --> 00:50:32,640
freaked out who knows I never yeah it's

1262
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:33,960
but you don't know

1263
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,180
um like I said I the the tree poking or

1264
00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:38,400
the uh the tent poking thing I was

1265
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:40,140
absolutely freaking out and then all of

1266
00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:43,140
a sudden it just dawned on me well you

1267
00:50:49,010 --> 00:50:46,200
dummy he's not hurting you so just go

1268
00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:49,020
with this and see where it goes now the

1269
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,240
question I I've often asked myself about

1270
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,280
that incident is

1271
00:50:58,250 --> 00:50:55,200
what would have happened if I'd had the

1272
00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:58,260
presence of mine to unzip the tent

1273
00:51:02,450 --> 00:51:00,180
and stick my head out

1274
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:02,460
what would I have seen

1275
00:51:08,329 --> 00:51:06,480
but I think the answer to that is like

1276
00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:08,339
not being able to see them

1277
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:10,020
I wasn't ready

1278
00:51:13,549 --> 00:51:12,000
I don't think I could have handled it at

1279
00:51:16,190 --> 00:51:13,559
that point I think my brain would have

1280
00:51:19,549 --> 00:51:16,200
gone into lockdown yeah that would have

1281
00:51:22,970 --> 00:51:19,559
been too much yeah but at this point

1282
00:51:25,730 --> 00:51:22,980
and again I may I I always joke I carry

1283
00:51:28,910 --> 00:51:25,740
an extra pair of underwear just for just

1284
00:51:32,690 --> 00:51:28,920
for those events just in case

1285
00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:32,700
um but you know I may freak out because

1286
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:35,640
it's going to be a big experience or I

1287
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,460
may just look at it like hey thanks man

1288
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:40,559
good to see you um appreciate you being

1289
00:51:47,150 --> 00:51:44,280
here I you know thank you I appreciate

1290
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,160
the experience I I don't know

1291
00:51:51,230 --> 00:51:48,960
all right well we're gonna we're gonna

1292
00:51:52,970 --> 00:51:51,240
have to go past an hour if everybody

1293
00:51:54,589 --> 00:51:52,980
here is okay with that in order to get

1294
00:51:56,750 --> 00:51:54,599
some more Terry in our lives is

1295
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:56,760
everybody okay Deb's you all right

1296
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,000
yep okay I'm rambling I'm sorry no not

1297
00:52:04,910 --> 00:52:02,400
at all no no it's okay it's good stuff

1298
00:52:06,770 --> 00:52:04,920
but get us into the next six do you want

1299
00:52:08,089 --> 00:52:06,780
to do go with the portal what what do

1300
00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:08,099
you want to do sure let's do that one

1301
00:52:12,290 --> 00:52:09,960
that's uh that was it a matter of fact

1302
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,300
let me share something with you

1303
00:52:16,730 --> 00:52:15,119
um I I was talking with uh with DJ about

1304
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:16,740
this before

1305
00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:18,960
um there is an area

1306
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:21,660
I I cannot disclose where it is because

1307
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,380
I'm under an NDA agreement but there is

1308
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:27,119
a group that I and a couple of my

1309
00:52:31,250 --> 00:52:28,680
friends here have hung out with they

1310
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:31,260
invited us in we know them we know most

1311
00:52:34,490 --> 00:52:32,640
of the people in it from different

1312
00:52:37,370 --> 00:52:34,500
places

1313
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:37,380
um they have a research area

1314
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,160
that is basically Skinwalker Ranch

1315
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:43,440
of the East Coast

1316
00:52:48,829 --> 00:52:46,140
about the only thing that has not shown

1317
00:52:51,130 --> 00:52:48,839
up there is the Loch Ness monster and

1318
00:52:54,410 --> 00:52:51,140
there is a swampy area

1319
00:52:55,490 --> 00:52:54,420
we hold out hope that we're gonna who

1320
00:52:58,089 --> 00:52:55,500
knows

1321
00:53:01,010 --> 00:52:58,099
um there's aliens there's

1322
00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:01,020
psychic stuff there's missing time

1323
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:05,460
there's men and women in black

1324
00:53:08,569 --> 00:53:07,260
um you know that I had that happen the

1325
00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:08,579
night of this portal incident that I'm

1326
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:10,440
getting ready to tell you about

1327
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:13,200
um there is a book I make no no money

1328
00:53:18,109 --> 00:53:16,079
from this book but it's a it's a very

1329
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,119
good read and I'll share that with you

1330
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:20,160
real quick here it's called the meadow

1331
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:24,240
project it's on sale by at Amazon it's a

1332
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:27,359
great read and it talks about a lot of

1333
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,000
the stuff that's that's in that I've

1334
00:53:35,809 --> 00:53:32,160
experienced

1335
00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:35,819
um I would encourage you to read it I am

1336
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:38,520
the Terry in that book the names have

1337
00:53:42,770 --> 00:53:40,490
been changed to protect the guilty

1338
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,780
[Laughter]

1339
00:53:47,809 --> 00:53:44,160
but

1340
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:47,819
this stuff had had I been

1341
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,160
had I not had I been telling me about

1342
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,800
this I wouldn't believe me either so it

1343
00:53:55,870 --> 00:53:54,000
doesn't hurt my feelings if anybody

1344
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:55,880
doesn't believe this I'm fine with that

1345
00:54:00,589 --> 00:53:59,280
so here's the story

1346
00:54:03,770 --> 00:54:00,599
um

1347
00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:03,780
there is a meadow in this area

1348
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:07,140
that has all kinds of high strangeness

1349
00:54:10,490 --> 00:54:08,160
going on

1350
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,500
uh this this group has been researching

1351
00:54:16,750 --> 00:54:12,720
this for a number of years

1352
00:54:21,290 --> 00:54:16,760
and it started they it has a history of

1353
00:54:24,049 --> 00:54:21,300
hauntings and ghosts and witches and

1354
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:24,059
that kind of thing which I've come to

1355
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:27,119
discover that that is typically an

1356
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,020
indicator that the the old folks in the

1357
00:54:34,849 --> 00:54:33,359
mountains way back when when these these

1358
00:54:37,730 --> 00:54:34,859
things started

1359
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:37,740
saw things they had no framework to to

1360
00:54:44,750 --> 00:54:41,520
understand them with so it was a witch

1361
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:44,760
something just appeared it was a ghost

1362
00:54:47,569 --> 00:54:46,200
um you know you had the crazy man that

1363
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:47,579
lived out in the woods the old Harry

1364
00:54:53,870 --> 00:54:50,640
hermit man that lived in the woods

1365
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,880
um there's there's some basis to all

1366
00:54:59,329 --> 00:54:55,680
myths like that

1367
00:55:02,030 --> 00:54:59,339
so this place is loaded with them so we

1368
00:55:03,530 --> 00:55:02,040
are we are there uh my buddy and I that

1369
00:55:07,210 --> 00:55:03,540
went down there

1370
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:07,220
um they invite the folks invited us down

1371
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:10,680
basically because it was a Bigfoot area

1372
00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:13,020
too they they didn't tell us about all

1373
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:15,780
this other stuff we were the control uh

1374
00:55:19,970 --> 00:55:18,240
they kind of wanted to use us as a you

1375
00:55:21,230 --> 00:55:19,980
know oh this stuff really is happening

1376
00:55:23,390 --> 00:55:21,240
we can have some other people

1377
00:55:27,530 --> 00:55:23,400
independently verify it

1378
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:27,540
so we go out to the meadow we walk down

1379
00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:30,420
this Trail and again this is this is a

1380
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:33,540
kind of a camping area but not really

1381
00:55:39,010 --> 00:55:36,240
um you walk down this Trail that's

1382
00:55:41,690 --> 00:55:39,020
probably uh

1383
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,700
150 yards

1384
00:55:47,390 --> 00:55:44,400
from the campsite the main campsite into

1385
00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:47,400
this Meadow you walk down it you hook a

1386
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:50,700
right and this Meadow opens up my buddy

1387
00:55:55,609 --> 00:55:53,160
David and I had gone down to there to

1388
00:55:57,290 --> 00:55:55,619
this Meadow in the daytime one of the

1389
00:55:59,390 --> 00:55:57,300
things I always try and do is if I'm in

1390
00:56:02,589 --> 00:55:59,400
a new area I'll go out and look around

1391
00:56:05,690 --> 00:56:02,599
during the day and go okay that's a rock

1392
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,700
that that's that's a tree that's a bunch

1393
00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:07,440
of bushes over here I know what that is

1394
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,720
so I know what belongs and it makes it

1395
00:56:13,790 --> 00:56:11,760
easier to pick out what doesn't belong

1396
00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:13,800
and we had done that

1397
00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:16,680
that day in broad daylight so now we're

1398
00:56:20,690 --> 00:56:18,900
going out at night it's dark we're

1399
00:56:23,809 --> 00:56:20,700
walking out there was a group of there

1400
00:56:27,049 --> 00:56:23,819
were three four teams

1401
00:56:28,370 --> 00:56:27,059
um I was in team two each team had four

1402
00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:28,380
people in it and then there was an

1403
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:30,420
OverWatch team the fourth team was kind

1404
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:32,880
of an OverWatch team and the strategy

1405
00:56:36,589 --> 00:56:34,079
was

1406
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,599
everybody could see at least one other

1407
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:38,640
team you had eyes on one other team

1408
00:56:41,930 --> 00:56:40,140
because the meadow kind of bends around

1409
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,940
a little bit and then you have the

1410
00:56:46,790 --> 00:56:44,400
OverWatch team that was up on a forestry

1411
00:56:48,829 --> 00:56:46,800
road that was OverWatch for everybody

1412
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:48,839
that could see everybody

1413
00:56:54,049 --> 00:56:51,599
so we all we all got radios these folks

1414
00:56:55,730 --> 00:56:54,059
monitor comms like military Precision

1415
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:55,740
they have somebody sitting back at base

1416
00:57:00,290 --> 00:56:58,319
camp that monitors comms you don't move

1417
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,300
unless you go on the radio and say this

1418
00:57:03,250 --> 00:57:02,160
is team two we're gonna move just want

1419
00:57:06,829 --> 00:57:03,260
to let you know

1420
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,839
this is all very precisely done so

1421
00:57:09,770 --> 00:57:08,640
there's no mistaking anything for

1422
00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:09,780
anything else

1423
00:57:13,010 --> 00:57:11,220
so

1424
00:57:15,530 --> 00:57:13,020
um I'll cut through a lot of the the

1425
00:57:17,089 --> 00:57:15,540
details but we ended up we we were the

1426
00:57:19,130 --> 00:57:17,099
last team to enter

1427
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,140
we were supposed to go to a different

1428
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,880
location but we heard some noise behind

1429
00:57:25,069 --> 00:57:22,559
us turned out to be nothing but we had

1430
00:57:28,010 --> 00:57:25,079
called in and just said hey we're we're

1431
00:57:29,630 --> 00:57:28,020
we're we're here now already can we just

1432
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:29,640
hold in place

1433
00:57:32,930 --> 00:57:31,260
um is that okay because we can see the

1434
00:57:35,630 --> 00:57:32,940
team that we're supposed to have eyes on

1435
00:57:37,790 --> 00:57:35,640
and the radio came back I said yes no

1436
00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:37,800
problem let us know what happens so

1437
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:39,180
we're sitting there

1438
00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:42,240
and it's dark and again I have no

1439
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:44,280
thermal no nothing I got I got a eyeball

1440
00:57:47,930 --> 00:57:46,020
mark one

1441
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:47,940
um so I'm kind of the control for this

1442
00:57:52,609 --> 00:57:51,119
group everybody else has night vision uh

1443
00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:52,619
one of the one of the ladies that was

1444
00:57:55,730 --> 00:57:54,300
with us has

1445
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:55,740
um she's got the best tech I've ever

1446
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,720
seen oh my gosh

1447
00:58:01,730 --> 00:57:59,760
um she always has the fun stuff she had

1448
00:58:03,890 --> 00:58:01,740
I don't know what generation night

1449
00:58:06,410 --> 00:58:03,900
vision but hers was like you could see a

1450
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:06,420
flea on a rock

1451
00:58:14,089 --> 00:58:10,680
um so my buddy David has his out and at

1452
00:58:15,770 --> 00:58:14,099
that point his is a little older and he

1453
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:15,780
didn't either he didn't have a card in

1454
00:58:20,510 --> 00:58:18,480
it or something it didn't record but

1455
00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:20,520
we're all sitting with our backs to each

1456
00:58:24,829 --> 00:58:22,380
other kind of facing the four cardinal

1457
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:24,839
points and

1458
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:28,980
I hear David to one side of me say

1459
00:58:34,430 --> 00:58:32,640
what is that square thing out there

1460
00:58:35,569 --> 00:58:34,440
and it didn't really dawn on me what he

1461
00:58:37,970 --> 00:58:35,579
was saying

1462
00:58:39,530 --> 00:58:37,980
um I I just was sitting there you know

1463
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:39,540
kind of like well this is it's dark

1464
00:58:45,530 --> 00:58:42,240
what's going on and I hear him say again

1465
00:58:47,690 --> 00:58:45,540
what is that square thing out there

1466
00:58:50,450 --> 00:58:47,700
and it dawned on me

1467
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,460
there is no Square thing out there we've

1468
00:58:54,289 --> 00:58:52,559
we came down here and reconed this

1469
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,299
Meadow in the broad daylight there is

1470
00:58:58,609 --> 00:58:56,160
nothing Square out there so I leaned

1471
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:58,619
over to him and said what you got he

1472
00:59:04,250 --> 00:59:01,680
said I don't know take a look

1473
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:04,260
so I leaned over

1474
00:59:12,890 --> 00:59:08,400
through his thermal I could see

1475
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:12,900
a cube a square it was it was

1476
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:15,660
it was large and it was getting bigger

1477
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,000
it had according to him had basically

1478
00:59:23,150 --> 00:59:20,640
appeared out of nowhere

1479
00:59:24,770 --> 00:59:23,160
um it's kind of hard to judge at this

1480
00:59:27,650 --> 00:59:24,780
point it's kind of hard to judge size

1481
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:27,660
but we could tell and of course thermal

1482
00:59:31,849 --> 00:59:29,280
you you don't get the depth perception

1483
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,859
with the old stuff so we knew that there

1484
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:33,599
were a couple of trees beside of it that

1485
00:59:38,210 --> 00:59:35,760
we had stood next to so we could kind of

1486
00:59:41,089 --> 00:59:38,220
figure this is big and it's getting

1487
00:59:45,410 --> 00:59:41,099
bigger and it was opening up it was

1488
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:45,420
misty around the edges now the kicker is

1489
00:59:51,890 --> 00:59:48,240
I couldn't see it with my naked eye

1490
00:59:53,289 --> 00:59:51,900
and about this time the lady Kristen who

1491
00:59:56,809 --> 00:59:53,299
was with us

1492
00:59:59,210 --> 00:59:56,819
she had the you know the the new tech

1493
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:59,220
stuff so she said tell me where you're

1494
01:00:03,289 --> 01:00:00,240
pointing

1495
01:00:06,589 --> 01:00:03,299
and she was able to zoom in on it as

1496
01:00:09,710 --> 01:00:06,599
well so now we got you know we got two

1497
01:00:11,210 --> 01:00:09,720
thermal imagers looking at this and it's

1498
01:00:13,789 --> 01:00:11,220
the same in both of them and we're

1499
01:00:15,470 --> 01:00:13,799
calling it in and it's like what the

1500
01:00:17,089 --> 01:00:15,480
heck is going on here

1501
01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:17,099
and

1502
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:22,680
later they had had this happen before

1503
01:00:27,230 --> 01:00:25,200
and they the reason that they invited us

1504
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,240
down is they as I said they wanted us to

1505
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,040
independently document it we had not

1506
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:31,440
been predisposed about anything we

1507
01:00:34,130 --> 01:00:32,400
thought we were going to look for

1508
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,140
Bigfoot

1509
01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:36,960
um up until this point if you had talked

1510
01:00:40,490 --> 01:00:39,180
to me about portals I would have just

1511
01:00:44,210 --> 01:00:40,500
looked at you and gone oh aren't you

1512
01:00:46,490 --> 01:00:44,220
sweet portals yeah no okay

1513
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:46,500
and now I'm sitting here looking at one

1514
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:48,960
um the only and it's I I don't know if

1515
01:00:52,370 --> 01:00:50,400
this is a portal but that's the only

1516
01:00:53,809 --> 01:00:52,380
word that fits

1517
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:53,819
um now

1518
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:57,119
we hear the OverWatch team say

1519
01:01:03,049 --> 01:01:00,000
okay walk us into it

1520
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:03,059
and it's like what oh wow

1521
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,240
so we started giving them they came down

1522
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:08,400
and we're talking amongst themselves

1523
01:01:13,730 --> 01:01:11,280
okay which way you know okay turn your

1524
01:01:16,970 --> 01:01:13,740
left know your other left

1525
01:01:19,069 --> 01:01:16,980
um okay walk forward continue to walk

1526
01:01:21,770 --> 01:01:19,079
forward stop

1527
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:21,780
you should be within about

1528
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:26,160
25 or 30 yards of it so you know there

1529
01:01:32,690 --> 01:01:28,079
and this took a little while to make

1530
01:01:36,670 --> 01:01:32,700
happen so they got to the point where

1531
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:36,680
either they walked into it

1532
01:01:41,450 --> 01:01:39,839
or the glow from the portal obscured

1533
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:41,460
their heat signatures

1534
01:01:44,930 --> 01:01:42,720
but

1535
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,940
they went off the scope you couldn't see

1536
01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:46,880
them anymore you could not see them on

1537
01:01:52,370 --> 01:01:49,740
so either the background image from

1538
01:01:55,730 --> 01:01:52,380
whatever this was was so bright and so

1539
01:01:58,849 --> 01:01:55,740
hot that it obscured their images

1540
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:58,859
or they went into it let me get let me

1541
01:02:01,789 --> 01:02:00,480
get Nathan and Debs in here real quick

1542
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:01,799
because just this part right here is

1543
01:02:07,549 --> 01:02:03,839
freaking me out go ahead and even yeah

1544
01:02:08,930 --> 01:02:07,559
this reminds me of um didn't Deb you

1545
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:08,940
might remember this but in David

1546
01:02:15,289 --> 01:02:12,480
Polito's uh recent movie he mentions a

1547
01:02:19,490 --> 01:02:15,299
cube yeah in incidents

1548
01:02:21,890 --> 01:02:19,500
hunt yes hunting and yes it was the guy

1549
01:02:23,630 --> 01:02:21,900
it was the one man by himself

1550
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:23,640
right and he's seeing it right out in

1551
01:02:28,910 --> 01:02:26,160
the middle of a field but it was sort of

1552
01:02:30,829 --> 01:02:28,920
clear or he could see through it but he

1553
01:02:33,470 --> 01:02:30,839
knew there was a cube in front of it yes

1554
01:02:36,890 --> 01:02:33,480
yeah it's actually

1555
01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:36,900
um one of the many object shapes that

1556
01:02:42,109 --> 01:02:39,960
people identify there's a lot more than

1557
01:02:46,190 --> 01:02:42,119
people realize when they come into the

1558
01:02:47,870 --> 01:02:46,200
topic of UFOs including Domino shapes

1559
01:02:50,809 --> 01:02:47,880
hmm

1560
01:02:53,289 --> 01:02:50,819
it's just not really all right

1561
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:53,299
I'm sorry

1562
01:03:02,089 --> 01:03:00,289
um so yeah this was this was this

1563
01:03:05,930 --> 01:03:02,099
definitely uh twisted my head around

1564
01:03:08,270 --> 01:03:05,940
this one took me a couple of days to

1565
01:03:09,530 --> 01:03:08,280
figure out how to tell my wife because I

1566
01:03:11,809 --> 01:03:09,540
figured you know I got to tell her

1567
01:03:13,849 --> 01:03:11,819
because I can't keep this a secret but

1568
01:03:15,530 --> 01:03:13,859
because she's gonna know I'm I'm weirded

1569
01:03:17,809 --> 01:03:15,540
out about something but she's gonna put

1570
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:17,819
me out in the backyard or some guys are

1571
01:03:21,410 --> 01:03:19,200
going to show up with a jacket that

1572
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,420
buckles backwards and caught me off

1573
01:03:26,270 --> 01:03:23,760
somewhere no and and the thermal that

1574
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:26,280
that you guys had the uh it was you said

1575
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:28,260
it was hot it was glowing hot in the

1576
01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:31,440
thermal it was on on the uh my buddy

1577
01:03:34,970 --> 01:03:32,819
David's was it was kind of a

1578
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:34,980
monochromatic thermal the the one that

1579
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:37,520
uh that this other woman had was color

1580
01:03:43,730 --> 01:03:41,280
and she actually got a recording of it

1581
01:03:46,609 --> 01:03:43,740
um I don't know where that recording

1582
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:46,619
went and I don't want to know um and

1583
01:03:50,089 --> 01:03:48,000
that gets into the story that the rest

1584
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:50,099
of the story when we got back to Camp

1585
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:51,200
um

1586
01:03:59,930 --> 01:03:57,119
that was a pretty brain spinning

1587
01:04:02,750 --> 01:03:59,940
experience so

1588
01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:02,760
um the guys that were on the OverWatch

1589
01:04:08,030 --> 01:04:04,920
team go ahead I got one real quick Terry

1590
01:04:11,569 --> 01:04:08,040
about so they walk into the cube and you

1591
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:11,579
can't see them or you have radio comms

1592
01:04:15,289 --> 01:04:13,200
you telling them back up are you telling

1593
01:04:17,390 --> 01:04:15,299
them walk forward we just we just

1594
01:04:19,010 --> 01:04:17,400
somebody told them um we can't see you

1595
01:04:22,609 --> 01:04:19,020
anymore now again I don't know if they

1596
01:04:25,789 --> 01:04:22,619
actually went into it or if if they were

1597
01:04:27,770 --> 01:04:25,799
obscured by the image from it

1598
01:04:30,109 --> 01:04:27,780
um I can't verify that I don't know but

1599
01:04:32,510 --> 01:04:30,119
but I will tell you this

1600
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:32,520
um David and I both noticed as we were

1601
01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:35,520
packing out to go on this walk the guys

1602
01:04:39,289 --> 01:04:37,440
on the OverWatch team were carrying we

1603
01:04:41,030 --> 01:04:39,299
all had like day packs because we all

1604
01:04:43,010 --> 01:04:41,040
carry I don't go into Bigfoot's Woods

1605
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:43,020
without a few things

1606
01:04:46,670 --> 01:04:44,640
um you know we all had some water we had

1607
01:04:49,370 --> 01:04:46,680
a little bit of snacks um you know you

1608
01:04:51,170 --> 01:04:49,380
had a rain poncho and a few things these

1609
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:51,180
guys were carrying huge packs I mean

1610
01:04:55,849 --> 01:04:52,319
huge

1611
01:04:56,750 --> 01:04:55,859
and they were carrying edged weapons

1612
01:04:59,329 --> 01:04:56,760
um

1613
01:05:00,770 --> 01:04:59,339
they were planning obviously to go into

1614
01:05:01,970 --> 01:05:00,780
this thing

1615
01:05:04,130 --> 01:05:01,980
and they didn't know if they were going

1616
01:05:06,910 --> 01:05:04,140
to get back

1617
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:06,920
um so at least that's my take on it now

1618
01:05:12,589 --> 01:05:09,839
this portal opened and closed a couple

1619
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:12,599
of times and moved before they could

1620
01:05:16,430 --> 01:05:15,119
actually get to it

1621
01:05:18,650 --> 01:05:16,440
um when people started getting close to

1622
01:05:19,849 --> 01:05:18,660
it it would close down and open up a

1623
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:19,859
little bit different a little bit

1624
01:05:25,549 --> 01:05:22,799
different location so again I don't know

1625
01:05:27,410 --> 01:05:25,559
if they went into it or if they were

1626
01:05:30,829 --> 01:05:27,420
just their heat signatures were masked

1627
01:05:32,930 --> 01:05:30,839
because it was overwhelming them we did

1628
01:05:34,910 --> 01:05:32,940
I don't know that we lost radiocom with

1629
01:05:38,329 --> 01:05:34,920
them I'm not sure because at that point

1630
01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:38,339
you know I'm I'm sitting there just my

1631
01:05:43,309 --> 01:05:41,160
Jaws on the ground

1632
01:05:44,450 --> 01:05:43,319
and somebody turned up back at camp for

1633
01:05:48,349 --> 01:05:44,460
you

1634
01:05:50,809 --> 01:05:48,359
we got a call after all this was over

1635
01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:50,819
um it had wound down and the thing had

1636
01:05:54,890 --> 01:05:53,220
whatever it was had gone away all of a

1637
01:05:56,270 --> 01:05:54,900
sudden we get a call from base camp

1638
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:56,280
saying

1639
01:06:01,789 --> 01:05:58,319
there's someone here we don't know who

1640
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:01,799
she is she's just shown up she's adamant

1641
01:06:06,049 --> 01:06:03,599
that she needs to speak with the team

1642
01:06:08,270 --> 01:06:06,059
leader she's absolutely adamant that she

1643
01:06:09,770 --> 01:06:08,280
needs to speak with you guys

1644
01:06:13,370 --> 01:06:09,780
um what do we tell her

1645
01:06:15,289 --> 01:06:13,380
so the the group leader said okay

1646
01:06:18,349 --> 01:06:15,299
um tell her to sit tight

1647
01:06:20,030 --> 01:06:18,359
keep an eye on her we don't know who she

1648
01:06:21,530 --> 01:06:20,040
is or what's going on do you recognize

1649
01:06:23,809 --> 01:06:21,540
her he said no she showed up out of

1650
01:06:26,029 --> 01:06:23,819
nowhere this is weird

1651
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:26,039
um so he said okay we're on the way back

1652
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:26,880
in

1653
01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:29,039
we're gonna we're gonna pack up head

1654
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:30,839
back in look for us to be there and

1655
01:06:34,370 --> 01:06:33,839
probably you know 20 minutes

1656
01:06:37,549 --> 01:06:34,380
um

1657
01:06:39,890 --> 01:06:37,559
now my job going back in the lady with

1658
01:06:41,930 --> 01:06:39,900
that had the recording uh we all lined

1659
01:06:43,970 --> 01:06:41,940
up single file going down this Trail my

1660
01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:43,980
job was to walk back in I was behind her

1661
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,079
I had my hand on her shoulder the entire

1662
01:06:49,789 --> 01:06:48,240
time I was not to take my hand off of

1663
01:06:52,670 --> 01:06:49,799
her shoulder

1664
01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:52,680
um you know if anything happened she's

1665
01:06:55,789 --> 01:06:53,940
not going to get snatched by herself

1666
01:06:58,730 --> 01:06:55,799
there's going to be two of us nothing

1667
01:07:01,549 --> 01:06:58,740
happened it was uneventful but that's

1668
01:07:04,490 --> 01:07:01,559
kind of how serious this got

1669
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:04,500
so we got back into Camp snatch we're

1670
01:07:09,049 --> 01:07:05,839
all just

1671
01:07:10,490 --> 01:07:09,059
snatched by what or what or who or where

1672
01:07:12,349 --> 01:07:10,500
I don't know we've all heard the you

1673
01:07:14,270 --> 01:07:12,359
know the missing David Pilatus missing

1674
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:14,280
stories we don't know

1675
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:16,319
um but it was it was like you know if

1676
01:07:21,650 --> 01:07:19,440
something swoops in and grabs her you

1677
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:21,660
you do what you can go with her prevent

1678
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:23,280
it scream do whatever you need to do get

1679
01:07:26,029 --> 01:07:24,720
our attention but she's got the

1680
01:07:29,630 --> 01:07:26,039
recording she needs to get out of here

1681
01:07:31,069 --> 01:07:29,640
got it so we get back to base camp and

1682
01:07:32,809 --> 01:07:31,079
you know we're all kind of like you know

1683
01:07:35,690 --> 01:07:32,819
what the heck just happened

1684
01:07:37,370 --> 01:07:35,700
um the other most of the other team knew

1685
01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:37,380
this was or suspected this was going to

1686
01:07:41,930 --> 01:07:38,460
happen

1687
01:07:43,730 --> 01:07:41,940
so the team leader goes under the comms

1688
01:07:45,049 --> 01:07:43,740
person and says okay who's who wants to

1689
01:07:47,329 --> 01:07:45,059
speak to us he said

1690
01:07:50,809 --> 01:07:47,339
I don't know where this woman came from

1691
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:50,819
she drove up in a beat up Mustang

1692
01:07:55,069 --> 01:07:53,760
her 15 year old son was driving the

1693
01:07:57,770 --> 01:07:55,079
Mustang

1694
01:08:00,529 --> 01:07:57,780
she appears intoxicated and she's

1695
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:00,539
demanding to speak to you because she

1696
01:08:04,910 --> 01:08:03,119
has information for you

1697
01:08:09,230 --> 01:08:04,920
now

1698
01:08:10,730 --> 01:08:09,240
there anyway and number two how did they

1699
01:08:14,029 --> 01:08:10,740
know what we're doing

1700
01:08:16,189 --> 01:08:14,039
she walks over we're all sitting kind of

1701
01:08:17,689 --> 01:08:16,199
around you know the team leader goes

1702
01:08:20,329 --> 01:08:17,699
over and talks to her and we're all kind

1703
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:20,339
of just like standing back observing

1704
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,279
um a couple of our guys who are were

1705
01:08:27,530 --> 01:08:25,440
ex-military and I don't know nothing and

1706
01:08:30,050 --> 01:08:27,540
I don't need to know kind of strangely

1707
01:08:32,269 --> 01:08:30,060
disappeared into the the darkness for a

1708
01:08:34,669 --> 01:08:32,279
little while so I suspect they were

1709
01:08:37,789 --> 01:08:34,679
watching

1710
01:08:38,990 --> 01:08:37,799
um so I'm sitting there and team leaders

1711
01:08:40,610 --> 01:08:39,000
talking to this woman

1712
01:08:41,689 --> 01:08:40,620
and she says you got to come with me

1713
01:08:44,090 --> 01:08:41,699
right now

1714
01:08:46,130 --> 01:08:44,100
there's Bigfoot there's Bigfoot and and

1715
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:46,140
you you need to go see them you got to

1716
01:08:50,450 --> 01:08:47,759
go see them you've got to come with me

1717
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:50,460
your whole team right now

1718
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:52,080
um okay and he's talking to her and he

1719
01:08:55,249 --> 01:08:53,520
said okay well where where are these

1720
01:08:56,570 --> 01:08:55,259
Bigfoot well they're in this place away

1721
01:08:58,430 --> 01:08:56,580
from here

1722
01:09:00,110 --> 01:08:58,440
um and it's it's a it's a spot and

1723
01:09:02,209 --> 01:09:00,120
there's only one road that goes into it

1724
01:09:03,470 --> 01:09:02,219
but but you follow me come with me right

1725
01:09:05,809 --> 01:09:03,480
now and I'll take you there because

1726
01:09:07,789 --> 01:09:05,819
they're there if you want to see them

1727
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,799
and so all of a sudden the hairs on the

1728
01:09:10,849 --> 01:09:09,359
back your neck starts standing up it's

1729
01:09:13,550 --> 01:09:10,859
like wait a minute

1730
01:09:15,470 --> 01:09:13,560
we don't know you from Adam hell no you

1731
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,480
don't know us that we know of you show

1732
01:09:19,130 --> 01:09:17,040
up in this camp

1733
01:09:20,689 --> 01:09:19,140
demanding that we go to a place that

1734
01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:20,699
we've never been that's got by Europe

1735
01:09:26,689 --> 01:09:24,060
missions got one Road in one road out

1736
01:09:29,329 --> 01:09:26,699
and we're supposed to do that

1737
01:09:30,110 --> 01:09:29,339
oh I don't think so

1738
01:09:32,809 --> 01:09:30,120
um

1739
01:09:34,729 --> 01:09:32,819
so he's trying to talk to her and get

1740
01:09:37,309 --> 01:09:34,739
more information and this is documented

1741
01:09:39,289 --> 01:09:37,319
in in the meta project book

1742
01:09:41,689 --> 01:09:39,299
um it turns out

1743
01:09:43,789 --> 01:09:41,699
she knew

1744
01:09:46,189 --> 01:09:43,799
where what college this guy had gone to

1745
01:09:48,530 --> 01:09:46,199
the person the team leader she claimed

1746
01:09:50,450 --> 01:09:48,540
to know his professors she and he

1747
01:09:54,410 --> 01:09:50,460
started talking to her Inquisitor

1748
01:09:58,010 --> 01:09:54,420
and lo and behold she knew she she was

1749
01:10:01,070 --> 01:09:58,020
there at the same time somehow she had

1750
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:01,080
knowledge of everything

1751
01:10:04,490 --> 01:10:03,120
every class that he had taken oh yeah I

1752
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:04,500
know where that building was yeah I went

1753
01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:05,760
to here and there yeah you were yeah

1754
01:10:08,990 --> 01:10:07,860
yeah I remember that Professor I was

1755
01:10:10,430 --> 01:10:09,000
there

1756
01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:10,440
she knew

1757
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:12,840
I have no clue how

1758
01:10:19,250 --> 01:10:16,560
um and she just seemed off

1759
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,260
um she was not wearing a black suit

1760
01:10:22,130 --> 01:10:21,120
um how and in fact she was wearing a

1761
01:10:25,070 --> 01:10:22,140
dress

1762
01:10:26,570 --> 01:10:25,080
um because she then proceeded to take a

1763
01:10:28,729 --> 01:10:26,580
couple of steps away from the campfire

1764
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:28,739
squat down and urinate in front of

1765
01:10:34,250 --> 01:10:31,199
everybody wow

1766
01:10:35,570 --> 01:10:34,260
um no big deal you know just just and

1767
01:10:39,169 --> 01:10:35,580
that's one of the things you hear about

1768
01:10:42,290 --> 01:10:39,179
men in black is that they somehow don't

1769
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:42,300
fit into our social norms they don't

1770
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:45,120
have a comprehension of it I guess is a

1771
01:10:47,630 --> 01:10:46,800
good word

1772
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:47,640
um

1773
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,920
so he keeps talking to her and

1774
01:10:55,010 --> 01:10:52,560
eventually you know she we convinced her

1775
01:10:56,689 --> 01:10:55,020
to leave that we're not going and no you

1776
01:10:59,149 --> 01:10:56,699
can't make us

1777
01:11:00,770 --> 01:10:59,159
um but she's just adamant you know she's

1778
01:11:02,229 --> 01:11:00,780
still adamant you've got to go right now

1779
01:11:04,250 --> 01:11:02,239
all of you you gotta go right now

1780
01:11:05,630 --> 01:11:04,260
they're there they're waiting on you you

1781
01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:05,640
got to go right now

1782
01:11:10,189 --> 01:11:08,460
uh she was a proxy she sounds like they

1783
01:11:12,290 --> 01:11:10,199
were whoever was what was watching you

1784
01:11:14,750 --> 01:11:12,300
guys the whole time saw the whole thing

1785
01:11:16,189 --> 01:11:14,760
then they sent her down to Camp when you

1786
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:16,199
guys are on your way back and they just

1787
01:11:20,750 --> 01:11:18,960
they must have told her what to say yep

1788
01:11:23,450 --> 01:11:20,760
if she's you know clearly not wearing

1789
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:23,460
Forest clothing and no she was she was

1790
01:11:27,290 --> 01:11:24,719
wearing a dress just like you know like

1791
01:11:29,209 --> 01:11:27,300
you'd go out to eat or something and um

1792
01:11:31,970 --> 01:11:29,219
you know the fact that her 15 year old

1793
01:11:34,189 --> 01:11:31,980
son drove the car

1794
01:11:37,250 --> 01:11:34,199
um I don't have a clue that's just too

1795
01:11:40,430 --> 01:11:37,260
weird but there was there was definitely

1796
01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:40,440
something off yeah um now the team

1797
01:11:46,250 --> 01:11:44,100
leader followed up he he actually got in

1798
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:46,260
contact with this woman later on he got

1799
01:11:50,750 --> 01:11:48,000
some contact information out of her

1800
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:50,760
while she was there and the guy is a

1801
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,280
great researcher um he and this is the

1802
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:55,679
author of the book as well he tracked

1803
01:12:01,070 --> 01:11:58,560
her down and contacted her and quizzed

1804
01:12:02,570 --> 01:12:01,080
her about this and she claimed to have

1805
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:02,580
absolutely no knowledge of what he was

1806
01:12:05,930 --> 01:12:03,600
talking about

1807
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:05,940
interesting no I was never there I don't

1808
01:12:08,689 --> 01:12:07,080
remember that what are you talking about

1809
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:08,699
who are you why are you stalking me what

1810
01:12:12,050 --> 01:12:10,620
are you talking about did she hand out a

1811
01:12:15,470 --> 01:12:12,060
business card when she was there how did

1812
01:12:18,290 --> 01:12:15,480
he find her I I don't know I I think he

1813
01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:18,300
just he's very good at uh researching

1814
01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:20,520
things I'll say

1815
01:12:25,729 --> 01:12:21,920
um

1816
01:12:27,530 --> 01:12:25,739
he somehow got out of place got some

1817
01:12:28,850 --> 01:12:27,540
information out of her about well how

1818
01:12:31,070 --> 01:12:28,860
can I get in touch with you or something

1819
01:12:33,050 --> 01:12:31,080
and I you know I don't know because they

1820
01:12:34,729 --> 01:12:33,060
were kind of talking away from everybody

1821
01:12:37,729 --> 01:12:34,739
else and we were all just kind of

1822
01:12:39,410 --> 01:12:37,739
looking around like do we run do we you

1823
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:39,420
know what do we do

1824
01:12:44,330 --> 01:12:41,040
um at that point

1825
01:12:47,330 --> 01:12:44,340
so she ended up leaving and you know we

1826
01:12:50,510 --> 01:12:47,340
all crawled in our in our tents Vehicles

1827
01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:50,520
whatever and went to sleep

1828
01:12:54,770 --> 01:12:51,960
um that night

1829
01:12:57,050 --> 01:12:54,780
I had the craziest dream and my buddy

1830
01:12:59,689 --> 01:12:57,060
and I actually slept in our in the

1831
01:13:02,030 --> 01:12:59,699
vehicle we were in our front seats I had

1832
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:02,040
the doors locked I had the car keys

1833
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:04,800
laying on my Dash

1834
01:13:08,209 --> 01:13:05,760
um

1835
01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:08,219
I I had a couple other things out that I

1836
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,260
had prayed that I didn't need to use and

1837
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:12,719
I didn't but just in case something

1838
01:13:16,970 --> 01:13:14,400
happened and we had to bug out of there

1839
01:13:18,410 --> 01:13:16,980
you know we we broke our tents down and

1840
01:13:21,649 --> 01:13:18,420
we were ready to go all I had to do was

1841
01:13:23,930 --> 01:13:21,659
turn the turn the keys and go

1842
01:13:25,790 --> 01:13:23,940
um so I'm sleeping in the front seat

1843
01:13:27,470 --> 01:13:25,800
laid back and he's on the other side

1844
01:13:29,330 --> 01:13:27,480
laid back and we're just kind of wrapped

1845
01:13:32,209 --> 01:13:29,340
up because it's chilly

1846
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:32,219
and I had this dream

1847
01:13:38,510 --> 01:13:34,380
um during the night a group of Bigfoot

1848
01:13:41,450 --> 01:13:38,520
came and stood around my vehicle and all

1849
01:13:43,310 --> 01:13:41,460
faced out and I could not see out the

1850
01:13:44,810 --> 01:13:43,320
windows and I don't know what happened

1851
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:44,820
but they were just standing there

1852
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,280
preventing me from seeing out

1853
01:13:50,990 --> 01:13:49,679
that's the I've never had a dream like

1854
01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:51,000
that before and that was the weirdest

1855
01:13:54,590 --> 01:13:52,260
thing

1856
01:13:57,229 --> 01:13:54,600
can't explain it this sounds like one of

1857
01:14:00,590 --> 01:13:57,239
Deb's dreams about being in the cave Deb

1858
01:14:02,270 --> 01:14:00,600
uh what do you got for Mr Wendell I I

1859
01:14:04,490 --> 01:14:02,280
have to say though those are not Dreams

1860
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:04,500
DJ I'm I'm kind of jealous because I

1861
01:14:09,530 --> 01:14:06,600
haven't had any limitations meditation

1862
01:14:12,890 --> 01:14:09,540
yeah I haven't had any dreams that are

1863
01:14:15,649 --> 01:14:12,900
about UFOs or or any of it and I'm

1864
01:14:17,330 --> 01:14:15,659
jealous so I was my question is actually

1865
01:14:20,209 --> 01:14:17,340
about

1866
01:14:22,370 --> 01:14:20,219
um the protection aspect of Bigfoot

1867
01:14:24,649 --> 01:14:22,380
because when I first did a little bit of

1868
01:14:27,050 --> 01:14:24,659
research on Bigfoot um you know you hear

1869
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:27,060
these stories about he you know

1870
01:14:32,689 --> 01:14:29,760
Bigfoot's protecting the woods and you

1871
01:14:35,810 --> 01:14:32,699
know trying to keep people out is it a

1872
01:14:37,729 --> 01:14:35,820
bigger goal of theirs to protect the

1873
01:14:40,669 --> 01:14:37,739
environment or do you think it really is

1874
01:14:42,590 --> 01:14:40,679
just about protecting their families

1875
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,600
I think it's a little of both again

1876
01:14:46,510 --> 01:14:44,640
Native American culture will tell you

1877
01:14:48,830 --> 01:14:46,520
you know they're the boss of the woods

1878
01:14:52,970 --> 01:14:48,840
they are the guardians of the Mountain

1879
01:14:56,090 --> 01:14:52,980
uh you know they're the caretakers

1880
01:14:58,430 --> 01:14:56,100
um so I I think there's probably some

1881
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:58,440
truth in that uh even if for no other

1882
01:15:03,229 --> 01:15:01,920
reason again this is their home and they

1883
01:15:04,910 --> 01:15:03,239
don't appreciate people trashing up

1884
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:04,920
their home

1885
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:05,520
um

1886
01:15:11,090 --> 01:15:07,920
but you know

1887
01:15:12,410 --> 01:15:11,100
I I don't know I I so far I have not had

1888
01:15:14,990 --> 01:15:12,420
the opportunity to sit down with Mr

1889
01:15:18,530 --> 01:15:15,000
Bigfoot and talk to him about it

1890
01:15:21,890 --> 01:15:18,540
um I do think that there are some Clans

1891
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:21,900
that are more tolerant of human presence

1892
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:26,159
than others truly really and truly I

1893
01:15:29,870 --> 01:15:27,840
don't think they care about us one way

1894
01:15:32,209 --> 01:15:29,880
or the other as far as

1895
01:15:33,530 --> 01:15:32,219
they don't need us they don't say they

1896
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,540
don't care about us because there's

1897
01:15:36,890 --> 01:15:35,520
stories about them helping hikers that

1898
01:15:39,169 --> 01:15:36,900
are hurt or that kind of thing children

1899
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:39,179
they don't need us

1900
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:40,800
um you know they could go back into

1901
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:43,920
their woods and live whether we're here

1902
01:15:50,169 --> 01:15:47,340
or whether you know we're not I think a

1903
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:50,179
lot of the encounters are either

1904
01:15:54,910 --> 01:15:53,040
accidents that we happen to walk up on

1905
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:54,920
one of them

1906
01:15:58,370 --> 01:15:57,600
or that

1907
01:16:00,590 --> 01:15:58,380
um

1908
01:16:02,810 --> 01:16:00,600
they they're curious about us and

1909
01:16:05,330 --> 01:16:02,820
they'll come in closer

1910
01:16:08,090 --> 01:16:05,340
um you know I I don't think they're

1911
01:16:10,490 --> 01:16:08,100
trying to keep us out of the woods

1912
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:10,500
but if you get too close they will

1913
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:13,920
definitely push you back and

1914
01:16:17,450 --> 01:16:14,640
um

1915
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:17,460
you know again I I I can't really answer

1916
01:16:22,010 --> 01:16:19,679
that definitively uh the feeling I get

1917
01:16:24,410 --> 01:16:22,020
is you know really really you're truly

1918
01:16:26,530 --> 01:16:24,420
they don't need us they just kind of

1919
01:16:28,910 --> 01:16:26,540
tolerate us as long as we're we're nice

1920
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:28,920
and don't trash up their house and

1921
01:16:32,209 --> 01:16:31,199
respect them they'll be okay with us

1922
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:32,219
being there

1923
01:16:35,930 --> 01:16:34,080
for the most part yeah for the most part

1924
01:16:37,310 --> 01:16:35,940
it seems like yeah

1925
01:16:39,050 --> 01:16:37,320
um what I'd like to do we have 15

1926
01:16:40,970 --> 01:16:39,060
minutes left

1927
01:16:43,610 --> 01:16:40,980
um what I'd like to do Terry is get in

1928
01:16:45,410 --> 01:16:43,620
another experience of yours and another

1929
01:16:47,149 --> 01:16:45,420
round of questions in that 15 minutes

1930
01:16:49,850 --> 01:16:47,159
please I'll make it quick

1931
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:49,860
um sir I was at a Bigfoot Conference in

1932
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:52,080
Westminster South Carolina one of my

1933
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:53,840
favorites small town

1934
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:56,400
they have raised I've spoken there

1935
01:17:02,270 --> 01:17:00,000
before and they had raised enough money

1936
01:17:04,750 --> 01:17:02,280
this time to put all of us all the

1937
01:17:07,850 --> 01:17:04,760
speakers up in a house very nice house

1938
01:17:10,370 --> 01:17:07,860
up in the little small town of Walhalla

1939
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:10,380
South Carolina Walhalla everybody in

1940
01:17:14,450 --> 01:17:11,760
Walhalla knows everybody else in

1941
01:17:17,090 --> 01:17:14,460
Walhalla it's an old old old towns

1942
01:17:19,970 --> 01:17:17,100
beautiful town but it's very small and

1943
01:17:22,570 --> 01:17:19,980
it is in the woods and in the mountains

1944
01:17:25,310 --> 01:17:22,580
um this house had a trail

1945
01:17:26,990 --> 01:17:25,320
that went down winding into the woods

1946
01:17:29,530 --> 01:17:27,000
away from the house that led from the

1947
01:17:32,510 --> 01:17:29,540
fire pit at the house down to the woods

1948
01:17:33,770 --> 01:17:32,520
so we all get there there were four or

1949
01:17:36,110 --> 01:17:33,780
five of us speakers and a couple other

1950
01:17:37,850 --> 01:17:36,120
people came and joined us and we're all

1951
01:17:40,130 --> 01:17:37,860
sitting around on the deck and around

1952
01:17:42,110 --> 01:17:40,140
the fire pit and it gets to be I don't

1953
01:17:44,330 --> 01:17:42,120
know about you know close to midnight

1954
01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:44,340
we're winding down and I look over and

1955
01:17:47,630 --> 01:17:45,780
there's this Trail

1956
01:17:51,649 --> 01:17:47,640
and I said hey

1957
01:17:57,709 --> 01:17:54,470
I wanna trailers we're Bigfoot Explorer

1958
01:18:00,050 --> 01:17:57,719
what are we supposed to do and so I just

1959
01:18:01,790 --> 01:18:00,060
I got no flashlight again no headlamp no

1960
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:01,800
Fleer no nothing

1961
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:03,120
um I'm going walking in the woods

1962
01:18:06,649 --> 01:18:05,040
anybody want to go and so I stepped down

1963
01:18:09,050 --> 01:18:06,659
off the platform and go walking into

1964
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:09,060
this trail and I hear from behind me

1965
01:18:12,649 --> 01:18:11,280
um this gentleman I know Michael cook is

1966
01:18:14,570 --> 01:18:12,659
I've known him for a long time is a good

1967
01:18:17,149 --> 01:18:14,580
guy he's a Bigfoot researcher as well

1968
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:17,159
he's been to Australia he's worked on

1969
01:18:22,010 --> 01:18:19,199
some of the Bigfoot shows I hear his

1970
01:18:23,450 --> 01:18:22,020
voice go well Terry is clearly crazy but

1971
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:23,460
I'm going with him

1972
01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:24,719
so

1973
01:18:33,169 --> 01:18:31,800
Trail the trail runs uh the houses at

1974
01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:33,179
the Eastern end of the trail it runs

1975
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:34,920
from east to west we don't know where

1976
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:37,440
this trail goes and it's dark the Moon

1977
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:39,600
is coming up but it's dark so we're

1978
01:18:42,649 --> 01:18:40,860
walking down this Trail you can see

1979
01:18:44,030 --> 01:18:42,659
light blacks dark blacks and some Grays

1980
01:18:46,490 --> 01:18:44,040
and there's some Moonlight starting to

1981
01:18:47,330 --> 01:18:46,500
filter in through what leaves are on the

1982
01:18:51,050 --> 01:18:47,340
trees

1983
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:51,060
we get to this point uh we can't see the

1984
01:18:53,930 --> 01:18:52,560
house anymore but you can still sort of

1985
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:53,940
see the glow from the fire if you turn

1986
01:18:59,209 --> 01:18:55,920
around but we're looking down this Trail

1987
01:19:01,970 --> 01:18:59,219
and we can see the trail dips down uh

1988
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:01,980
probably about you know 40 30 yards in

1989
01:19:07,010 --> 01:19:04,800
front of us and

1990
01:19:09,229 --> 01:19:07,020
you can see you can't see what's in the

1991
01:19:12,050 --> 01:19:09,239
dip but you can see the shadowing where

1992
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:12,060
the trail rises again and we're kind of

1993
01:19:17,090 --> 01:19:14,159
stopped just walking along

1994
01:19:19,970 --> 01:19:17,100
we hear this these dogs

1995
01:19:23,450 --> 01:19:19,980
go off at the Western end of the trail

1996
01:19:26,510 --> 01:19:23,460
and they're just going berserk

1997
01:19:28,189 --> 01:19:26,520
um and Michael and I both stop and we

1998
01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:28,199
look at each other it's like

1999
01:19:34,130 --> 01:19:31,860
okay we we've both been we've both been

2000
01:19:36,770 --> 01:19:34,140
here before so we hear the dogs going

2001
01:19:38,890 --> 01:19:36,780
and the dogs go you know just keep going

2002
01:19:43,090 --> 01:19:38,900
off they get worse and worse and worse

2003
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:43,100
in between the dogs we hear

2004
01:19:50,450 --> 01:19:47,040
the loudest scream

2005
01:19:52,189 --> 01:19:50,460
it again whatever this is has got way

2006
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:52,199
more lungs than we do it's not a dog

2007
01:19:56,810 --> 01:19:54,239
it's not a coyote

2008
01:19:59,209 --> 01:19:56,820
um and we both look at each other and

2009
01:20:00,590 --> 01:19:59,219
and we're like dude dude we know what

2010
01:20:02,450 --> 01:20:00,600
that is that's a big I've heard that

2011
01:20:03,770 --> 01:20:02,460
that's a Bigfoot we're standing in this

2012
01:20:05,810 --> 01:20:03,780
Trail in the middle of the dark giggling

2013
01:20:08,750 --> 01:20:05,820
like little girls because it's like oh

2014
01:20:10,370 --> 01:20:08,760
this is so cool this is cool okay so we

2015
01:20:12,110 --> 01:20:10,380
start hearing more noise coming toward

2016
01:20:14,930 --> 01:20:12,120
us dogs other packs of dogs are going

2017
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:14,940
off and then behind us

2018
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:18,480
we hear dogs going off back beyond the

2019
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:20,400
house up in the West

2020
01:20:25,729 --> 01:20:23,040
and we hear noise going on back up there

2021
01:20:28,189 --> 01:20:25,739
and it's like okay they're out prowling

2022
01:20:29,930 --> 01:20:28,199
this is their nightly routine I've I've

2023
01:20:32,570 --> 01:20:29,940
seen this happen before

2024
01:20:34,669 --> 01:20:32,580
so we're standing there and and my buddy

2025
01:20:37,370 --> 01:20:34,679
Mike says Terry look down there at that

2026
01:20:40,189 --> 01:20:37,380
dip tell me what you see

2027
01:20:43,850 --> 01:20:40,199
I looked and I said

2028
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:43,860
um that's a shape looks like a head and

2029
01:20:46,970 --> 01:20:44,880
shoulders

2030
01:20:48,410 --> 01:20:46,980
he said that's what I thought

2031
01:20:50,689 --> 01:20:48,420
okay

2032
01:20:53,209 --> 01:20:50,699
so all the you know the dogs are going

2033
01:20:54,290 --> 01:20:53,219
back and forth and he says

2034
01:20:58,130 --> 01:20:54,300
um

2035
01:21:01,250 --> 01:20:58,140
the two trees over on the left side uh

2036
01:21:03,709 --> 01:21:01,260
they're about 25 yards

2037
01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:03,719
in front of us uh do you see anything

2038
01:21:07,790 --> 01:21:05,940
there and I said there's a shape there

2039
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:07,800
too I can't make it out but it looks

2040
01:21:11,090 --> 01:21:08,880
like

2041
01:21:14,149 --> 01:21:11,100
there's there's a dark patch

2042
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:14,159
that I don't know what it is I was sat

2043
01:21:18,410 --> 01:21:15,840
there before he said no

2044
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:18,420
I I don't believe so

2045
01:21:24,649 --> 01:21:21,360
it's like cool we got one here watching

2046
01:21:27,530 --> 01:21:24,659
us so again the the whole procedure goes

2047
01:21:31,370 --> 01:21:27,540
into reverse we hear this this huge

2048
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:31,380
screen from the East End again and it's

2049
01:21:34,370 --> 01:21:32,880
like okay that's big daddy calling the

2050
01:21:35,630 --> 01:21:34,380
kids home there were nothing else is

2051
01:21:38,510 --> 01:21:35,640
going to happen again tonight let's go

2052
01:21:40,189 --> 01:21:38,520
home so we go back we go back and tell

2053
01:21:41,810 --> 01:21:40,199
the Bigfoot people or the the festival

2054
01:21:43,550 --> 01:21:41,820
people about this

2055
01:21:45,709 --> 01:21:43,560
and thinking yeah right they're going to

2056
01:21:48,350 --> 01:21:45,719
believe us and they turns out there had

2057
01:21:51,169 --> 01:21:48,360
been reports of sightings in that area

2058
01:21:53,149 --> 01:21:51,179
and they wanted us to go in unbiased and

2059
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:53,159
see what happened because they knew one

2060
01:21:57,410 --> 01:21:55,440
of us would go down that trail wow so

2061
01:22:01,070 --> 01:21:57,420
it's like okay

2062
01:22:03,890 --> 01:22:01,080
where this Saturday night oh buddy I'm

2063
01:22:05,450 --> 01:22:03,900
going again uh and and Michael's like

2064
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:05,460
I'm with you let's go

2065
01:22:08,209 --> 01:22:06,960
so we're at this house again we're

2066
01:22:09,530 --> 01:22:08,219
supposed to leave Sunday morning we

2067
01:22:10,490 --> 01:22:09,540
still have not walked this Trail in the

2068
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:10,500
daylight

2069
01:22:14,770 --> 01:22:13,440
so we take off same thing happens about

2070
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:14,780
the same time

2071
01:22:19,729 --> 01:22:17,520
just the same exact pattern dogs going

2072
01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:19,739
off in the in the west it comes up to

2073
01:22:24,530 --> 01:22:22,440
the east we see the the shape down in

2074
01:22:26,689 --> 01:22:24,540
the drop of the trail

2075
01:22:28,250 --> 01:22:26,699
and we're standing there in Michael says

2076
01:22:30,290 --> 01:22:28,260
Terry

2077
01:22:32,810 --> 01:22:30,300
look over at the trees

2078
01:22:35,450 --> 01:22:32,820
I said there's eyes

2079
01:22:36,830 --> 01:22:35,460
there's two glowing red eyes he said

2080
01:22:39,470 --> 01:22:36,840
yeah

2081
01:22:41,450 --> 01:22:39,480
I said okay

2082
01:22:43,729 --> 01:22:41,460
I'm gonna get closer

2083
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:43,739
you game he said yep let's go so we

2084
01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:45,840
slowly walk up

2085
01:22:50,030 --> 01:22:48,540
we get probably about five or six steps

2086
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:50,040
ahead

2087
01:22:55,729 --> 01:22:53,280
and all of a sudden if you've ever this

2088
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:55,739
is weird but as a kid if you take a nine

2089
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:57,120
volt battery and touch it to the tip of

2090
01:23:00,590 --> 01:22:58,080
your tongue and you get that little

2091
01:23:02,330 --> 01:23:00,600
jingle electric jaw it doesn't hurt but

2092
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:02,340
it's like a buzz

2093
01:23:07,070 --> 01:23:05,040
I get that in the center of my chest

2094
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:07,080
I've never had this happen before

2095
01:23:12,590 --> 01:23:09,600
and it radiates out through my entire

2096
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:12,600
body to my fingers and toes wow and I'm

2097
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:14,880
standing there and I I just stop and I

2098
01:23:17,870 --> 01:23:16,080
say Mike

2099
01:23:19,729 --> 01:23:17,880
I got something weird going on here I I

2100
01:23:22,430 --> 01:23:19,739
don't know what's going on

2101
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:22,440
um infrasound I got I got something it

2102
01:23:27,229 --> 01:23:24,719
wasn't being Zapped it wasn't like that

2103
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:27,239
it was a it's just a tingle it wasn't

2104
01:23:31,790 --> 01:23:29,280
like I was scared and I needed to run I

2105
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:31,800
didn't feel you know threatened this was

2106
01:23:35,330 --> 01:23:33,120
something different

2107
01:23:36,770 --> 01:23:35,340
and I hear him say beside him I didn't

2108
01:23:38,270 --> 01:23:36,780
tell him what was going on I just said

2109
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:38,280
this is weird and I hear him beside me

2110
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:40,560
say electricity

2111
01:23:44,030 --> 01:23:42,960
and it's like oh you got it too he said

2112
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:44,040
yep

2113
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:46,080
I said okay

2114
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:47,520
let's back up

2115
01:23:52,010 --> 01:23:49,440
just just back up don't turn around just

2116
01:23:54,130 --> 01:23:52,020
back up we backed up five steps like a

2117
01:23:56,990 --> 01:23:54,140
switch gone

2118
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:57,000
I said you got anything you said nope I

2119
01:23:59,450 --> 01:23:58,320
said me neither I said okay let's do an

2120
01:24:02,810 --> 01:23:59,460
experiment

2121
01:24:05,390 --> 01:24:02,820
you stay here I'm gonna walk back up

2122
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:05,400
before I left and the eyes are still

2123
01:24:09,649 --> 01:24:07,679
there we're watching them how far I

2124
01:24:11,450 --> 01:24:09,659
started moving I said okay guys

2125
01:24:14,209 --> 01:24:11,460
um we know you're there

2126
01:24:15,649 --> 01:24:14,219
um we think we got too close but we just

2127
01:24:17,810 --> 01:24:15,659
want to make sure we understand what you

2128
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:17,820
were telling us so my buddy's going to

2129
01:24:22,130 --> 01:24:19,679
stay here I'm going to walk forward

2130
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:22,140
those Five Paces again I'm not going to

2131
01:24:26,689 --> 01:24:24,719
come any closer I mean you no harm I

2132
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:26,699
mean no harm to anybody I'm gonna stop

2133
01:24:30,830 --> 01:24:28,800
right there I give you my word if you

2134
01:24:33,890 --> 01:24:30,840
were trying to tell us we were too close

2135
01:24:37,010 --> 01:24:33,900
do what you just did again to me

2136
01:24:38,810 --> 01:24:37,020
so I walked up Five Paces bam

2137
01:24:41,149 --> 01:24:38,820
I'm getting it all over again I said

2138
01:24:42,649 --> 01:24:41,159
Michael you got anything he said nope I

2139
01:24:44,570 --> 01:24:42,659
said okay

2140
01:24:45,950 --> 01:24:44,580
guys we get it we're gonna back up

2141
01:24:46,910 --> 01:24:45,960
matter of fact we're gonna head back to

2142
01:24:49,070 --> 01:24:46,920
the house

2143
01:24:51,950 --> 01:24:49,080
thank you so much uh we mean no harm

2144
01:24:55,130 --> 01:24:51,960
thank you so much and we appreciate this

2145
01:24:56,750 --> 01:24:55,140
and that was the end of it we walked

2146
01:24:59,149 --> 01:24:56,760
back to the house we told the rest of

2147
01:25:01,010 --> 01:24:59,159
the group about it the next morning

2148
01:25:02,930 --> 01:25:01,020
um you know and they decided Well maybe

2149
01:25:04,330 --> 01:25:02,940
maybe crazy Terry and crazy Michael had

2150
01:25:06,649 --> 01:25:04,340
the right idea

2151
01:25:08,810 --> 01:25:06,659
that has never happened to me before in

2152
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:08,820
my life I called Arla on my way home and

2153
01:25:12,290 --> 01:25:11,280
said I gotta talk to you I I got I got

2154
01:25:14,270 --> 01:25:12,300
to tell you something I told her what

2155
01:25:16,370 --> 01:25:14,280
happened and she started laughing she

2156
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:16,380
said you were too close and they didn't

2157
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:18,480
know who you were and when you talk to

2158
01:25:22,669 --> 01:25:20,400
them they understood that you didn't

2159
01:25:24,530 --> 01:25:22,679
mean any harm and they realized who you

2160
01:25:26,510 --> 01:25:24,540
were you did the right thing she said

2161
01:25:28,010 --> 01:25:26,520
I've had people on my property they'll

2162
01:25:30,169 --> 01:25:28,020
get to a certain point they'll just

2163
01:25:32,330 --> 01:25:30,179
start laughing for no apparent reasons

2164
01:25:34,430 --> 01:25:32,340
that you cannot stop laughing they take

2165
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:34,440
five or six steps back whatever it is is

2166
01:25:37,870 --> 01:25:35,280
gone

2167
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:37,880
she said that's just stuff they do this

2168
01:25:45,410 --> 01:25:40,800
Terry this is this is fascinating this

2169
01:25:47,149 --> 01:25:45,420
opens up a a line of questioning that

2170
01:25:50,090 --> 01:25:47,159
you know this intersection of things

2171
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:50,100
about this uh what people say just a

2172
01:25:54,410 --> 01:25:51,840
flesh and blood animal that we don't

2173
01:25:58,189 --> 01:25:54,420
understand so let's I don't remember did

2174
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:58,199
I go to you last Debs or Nathan who's up

2175
01:26:03,470 --> 01:26:00,960
I think it's Nathan's turn okay yeah

2176
01:26:05,090 --> 01:26:03,480
let's uh well I think let's go there DJ

2177
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:05,100
since that's what you're kind of hinting

2178
01:26:07,310 --> 01:26:06,239
at so

2179
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:07,320
um there's a lot of different theories

2180
01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:10,560
about what they are biological something

2181
01:26:16,129 --> 01:26:13,280
other than just biological entities

2182
01:26:18,350 --> 01:26:16,139
uh and I don't think any of us on this

2183
01:26:20,689 --> 01:26:18,360
panel you know have the definitive you

2184
01:26:22,250 --> 01:26:20,699
know truth or whatever to that but Terry

2185
01:26:23,870 --> 01:26:22,260
in your experience and then from those

2186
01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:23,880
that you've talked to you know what's

2187
01:26:28,610 --> 01:26:25,560
your sort of leading theory as to what

2188
01:26:30,410 --> 01:26:28,620
these are I originally thought they were

2189
01:26:32,689 --> 01:26:30,420
just an Undiscovered ape

2190
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:32,699
um in North America night I through my

2191
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:34,080
experience

2192
01:26:38,750 --> 01:26:36,719
um I kind of tend to lean towards arla's

2193
01:26:42,350 --> 01:26:38,760
thought that these are a people

2194
01:26:44,209 --> 01:26:42,360
they're like us but they're not like us

2195
01:26:45,950 --> 01:26:44,219
um they are Flesh and Blood yes because

2196
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:45,960
they leave signs they leave Footprints

2197
01:26:49,070 --> 01:26:48,000
they leave supposedly scat that we can

2198
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:49,080
follow

2199
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:50,880
but they can do stuff that we don't

2200
01:26:55,070 --> 01:26:51,679
understand

2201
01:26:57,649 --> 01:26:55,080
how do you make your eyes glow and not

2202
01:27:00,050 --> 01:26:57,659
be able to not see at night I don't

2203
01:27:03,410 --> 01:27:00,060
understand that how can the guy behind

2204
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:03,420
my tent just disappear I don't know now

2205
01:27:08,689 --> 01:27:06,719
is it magic well magic is a word that we

2206
01:27:11,330 --> 01:27:08,699
use to describe something much like the

2207
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:11,340
people I was talking about uh with the

2208
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:12,960
start of the the myths about the wild

2209
01:27:17,870 --> 01:27:15,120
man in the woods and the witch we don't

2210
01:27:21,470 --> 01:27:17,880
have a framework to understand what they

2211
01:27:22,970 --> 01:27:21,480
can do so to us that's magic you know if

2212
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:22,980
I went back just a couple hundred years

2213
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:24,719
with a big cigarette lighter and flicked

2214
01:27:29,629 --> 01:27:27,120
my Bic I get burned at the stake because

2215
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:29,639
I was a warlock I could make fire from

2216
01:27:32,090 --> 01:27:30,719
my fingertips

2217
01:27:34,370 --> 01:27:32,100
they didn't have the framework to

2218
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:34,380
understand that so I don't know there's

2219
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:37,679
more to them than we understand and I

2220
01:27:41,629 --> 01:27:39,120
don't know that we have the framework

2221
01:27:44,510 --> 01:27:41,639
right now to understand what they can do

2222
01:27:47,209 --> 01:27:44,520
can they cloak I don't know

2223
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:47,219
um can they can they do mind speak I've

2224
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:48,719
never had one do that to me but I've

2225
01:27:52,370 --> 01:27:50,400
only lived in this one head all of my

2226
01:27:54,530 --> 01:27:52,380
life so I don't know I can't say

2227
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,540
definitively yes or no

2228
01:27:58,250 --> 01:27:56,639
this this is interesting because you're

2229
01:28:00,530 --> 01:27:58,260
you're so good at answering questions

2230
01:28:02,689 --> 01:28:00,540
that you actually answered like three

2231
01:28:06,110 --> 01:28:02,699
questions in one the other two that I

2232
01:28:08,689 --> 01:28:06,120
had uh because I I've talked about I've

2233
01:28:10,490 --> 01:28:08,699
asked other guests this is about the

2234
01:28:13,490 --> 01:28:10,500
physics of it

2235
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:13,500
um because for for that creature to be

2236
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:15,600
able to walk up to your tent Terry and

2237
01:28:20,649 --> 01:28:18,480
then be able to walk away silently that

2238
01:28:24,410 --> 01:28:20,659
defies the laws of physics

2239
01:28:27,050 --> 01:28:24,420
he expressed and demonstrated the laws

2240
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:27,060
of physics walking to your tent but then

2241
01:28:32,450 --> 01:28:30,480
somehow egressed without that and and

2242
01:28:34,250 --> 01:28:32,460
the general consensus of that group that

2243
01:28:36,590 --> 01:28:34,260
I was with said well he wanted you to

2244
01:28:39,729 --> 01:28:36,600
hear him he wanted to make sure that you

2245
01:28:42,830 --> 01:28:39,739
knew he was coming got it

2246
01:28:44,629 --> 01:28:42,840
I got nothing on that one because that

2247
01:28:46,250 --> 01:28:44,639
litter you know I was out in the woods

2248
01:28:49,490 --> 01:28:46,260
last weekend without litter you just

2249
01:28:52,250 --> 01:28:49,500
can't walk silently no you know that

2250
01:28:53,689 --> 01:28:52,260
Force litter you just it's just so I

2251
01:28:56,209 --> 01:28:53,699
don't know how something that's like

2252
01:28:57,950 --> 01:28:56,219
that could be upwards of 800 or a

2253
01:29:00,290 --> 01:28:57,960
thousand or more pounds could do

2254
01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:00,300
something like that I I got nothing I

2255
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:02,400
absolutely got nothing and again had I

2256
01:29:06,770 --> 01:29:04,080
not been there and was telling me about

2257
01:29:08,629 --> 01:29:06,780
this I wouldn't believe me either

2258
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:08,639
because he just defies everything that

2259
01:29:14,930 --> 01:29:09,600
we know

2260
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:14,940
know go ahead Debs

2261
01:29:20,930 --> 01:29:17,760
I mean I I have a lot of questions but I

2262
01:29:24,050 --> 01:29:20,940
guess I would like to emphasize a point

2263
01:29:28,090 --> 01:29:24,060
that you made earlier that you had this

2264
01:29:31,510 --> 01:29:28,100
huge farm for these um beings to live on

2265
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:31,520
and people are under this misconception

2266
01:29:37,970 --> 01:29:35,520
that there's no way that we are not

2267
01:29:40,910 --> 01:29:37,980
seeing these beings regularly if they're

2268
01:29:42,770 --> 01:29:40,920
there but they don't understand how many

2269
01:29:45,530 --> 01:29:42,780
places there are that they could be

2270
01:29:46,910 --> 01:29:45,540
hiding so I was just wondering if you

2271
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:46,920
have like

2272
01:29:51,370 --> 01:29:49,440
um the number of Acres that we aren't

2273
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:51,380
really

2274
01:29:56,330 --> 01:29:54,480
inhabiting or an idea of how many places

2275
01:30:00,470 --> 01:29:56,340
that they could hide that you could talk

2276
01:30:03,229 --> 01:30:00,480
about like it's generalizing through my

2277
01:30:04,729 --> 01:30:03,239
what I've learned how little cover they

2278
01:30:07,010 --> 01:30:04,739
actually need you know there's there's

2279
01:30:09,350 --> 01:30:07,020
reports of them

2280
01:30:11,810 --> 01:30:09,360
um new subdivisions are built in what

2281
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:11,820
would be wooded areas as as we spread

2282
01:30:17,209 --> 01:30:15,120
out on the planet and you know they're

2283
01:30:19,129 --> 01:30:17,219
they just the reports of them walking

2284
01:30:20,689 --> 01:30:19,139
through subdivisions to get the trash

2285
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:20,699
cans

2286
01:30:24,169 --> 01:30:22,320
um and nobody sees them until you're at

2287
01:30:26,689 --> 01:30:24,179
the trash can or you see the footprints

2288
01:30:30,530 --> 01:30:26,699
walking back in the muddy Road you know

2289
01:30:33,530 --> 01:30:30,540
they they truly and we again we do not

2290
01:30:36,050 --> 01:30:33,540
pay attention as as human beings we do

2291
01:30:38,570 --> 01:30:36,060
not pay attention to things so again

2292
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:38,580
like like I've told you I've been on the

2293
01:30:42,530 --> 01:30:40,800
pinhody trail before where you take a

2294
01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:42,540
couple of steps back into the to the

2295
01:30:46,129 --> 01:30:44,880
foliage and if I stood there quietly and

2296
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:46,139
didn't move and didn't make any noise

2297
01:30:50,510 --> 01:30:48,000
you'd walk right by me and never know I

2298
01:30:55,970 --> 01:30:53,330
their knowledge of movement is is such a

2299
01:30:58,490 --> 01:30:55,980
a force multiplier because they know

2300
01:31:01,370 --> 01:30:58,500
that they can get into a position in the

2301
01:31:03,950 --> 01:31:01,380
brush even with jet black fur like like

2302
01:31:06,709 --> 01:31:03,960
Harry here say say hi Hera there she is

2303
01:31:10,430 --> 01:31:06,719
my my little black panther

2304
01:31:12,590 --> 01:31:10,440
um and they if they just don't move

2305
01:31:14,930 --> 01:31:12,600
he won't see them and right you know

2306
01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:14,940
there may be there may be everybody that

2307
01:31:19,250 --> 01:31:17,760
that is on this screen right now all

2308
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:19,260
four of us that have walked through the

2309
01:31:23,030 --> 01:31:21,120
woods and walked by one and been

2310
01:31:25,850 --> 01:31:23,040
observed and just didn't know it you

2311
01:31:28,189 --> 01:31:25,860
clearly felt that as a kid I'm kind of

2312
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:28,199
thinking back to ironically the the area

2313
01:31:32,450 --> 01:31:29,760
that I grew up was called Blue Mountain

2314
01:31:35,090 --> 01:31:32,460
reservation in the Hudson Valley of New

2315
01:31:37,310 --> 01:31:35,100
York it's where I we owned a little

2316
01:31:40,250 --> 01:31:37,320
horse ranch and I was constantly in the

2317
01:31:42,110 --> 01:31:40,260
woods hiking or or riding my horse and

2318
01:31:44,330 --> 01:31:42,120
there were times when the horses didn't

2319
01:31:46,189 --> 01:31:44,340
want to go down a certain Trail I don't

2320
01:31:48,950 --> 01:31:46,199
know and they would they would refuse to

2321
01:31:51,290 --> 01:31:48,960
go so I don't know if that's indicative

2322
01:31:52,490 --> 01:31:51,300
of something you know I don't know there

2323
01:31:54,410 --> 01:31:52,500
are times you felt like you were being

2324
01:31:56,510 --> 01:31:54,420
watched but I never saw a thing so I

2325
01:31:58,450 --> 01:31:56,520
don't know you know yeah I and truly at

2326
01:32:01,189 --> 01:31:58,460
my grandmother's I never saw anything

2327
01:32:02,209 --> 01:32:01,199
but there was always this presence in

2328
01:32:05,390 --> 01:32:02,219
the woods

2329
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:05,400
so you know I can't I can't really

2330
01:32:11,209 --> 01:32:07,920
answer that now as far as how many acres

2331
01:32:14,270 --> 01:32:11,219
they inhabit I basically they go where

2332
01:32:16,550 --> 01:32:14,280
they want to go it doesn't really matter

2333
01:32:20,510 --> 01:32:16,560
um I don't know how they do it but if

2334
01:32:22,310 --> 01:32:20,520
they have a need to go somewhere they go

2335
01:32:23,990 --> 01:32:22,320
yeah did you I don't know if you heard

2336
01:32:26,270 --> 01:32:24,000
Terry the one of the New Jersey

2337
01:32:29,290 --> 01:32:26,280
researchers talked about the Pine

2338
01:32:30,970 --> 01:32:29,300
Barrens as one of the biggest

2339
01:32:33,410 --> 01:32:30,980
state-owned

2340
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:33,420
pieces of property in the entire nation

2341
01:32:39,350 --> 01:32:36,960
is 70 000 Acres or something it's and

2342
01:32:41,629 --> 01:32:39,360
that's huge some crazy I mean if if

2343
01:32:43,790 --> 01:32:41,639
anybody looks up the Pine Barrens in New

2344
01:32:45,229 --> 01:32:43,800
Jersey and they're researchers that go

2345
01:32:49,189 --> 01:32:45,239
there regularly I'm sure you've heard

2346
01:32:51,410 --> 01:32:49,199
them yeah uh it's it is it is massive so

2347
01:32:53,390 --> 01:32:51,420
you just think about that alone

2348
01:32:55,129 --> 01:32:53,400
um yeah I know we're getting short on

2349
01:32:57,770 --> 01:32:55,139
time but I have I have a friend that

2350
01:32:59,629 --> 01:32:57,780
tells me oh no we've we've researched

2351
01:33:01,610 --> 01:32:59,639
we've the satellites have seen all the

2352
01:33:04,729 --> 01:33:01,620
land We've Been Everywhere You know we

2353
01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:04,739
dude have you ever been to Alaska

2354
01:33:10,010 --> 01:33:07,199
I haven't been do you know that that in

2355
01:33:14,030 --> 01:33:10,020
Canada 50 of the population of Canada

2356
01:33:16,790 --> 01:33:14,040
live within a a small band right next to

2357
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:16,800
the Canadian U.S border There Are Places

2358
01:33:20,270 --> 01:33:19,199
still in this world that we have not set

2359
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:20,280
foot

2360
01:33:26,450 --> 01:33:23,040
and the satellites cannot see through

2361
01:33:28,490 --> 01:33:26,460
the trees so that's right there is still

2362
01:33:29,390 --> 01:33:28,500
plenty of places that are unexplored on

2363
01:33:31,370 --> 01:33:29,400
this planet

2364
01:33:32,810 --> 01:33:31,380
and if we had set foot there that

2365
01:33:35,090 --> 01:33:32,820
doesn't mean the Bigfoot's not also

2366
01:33:37,010 --> 01:33:35,100
there exactly that doesn't tell you

2367
01:33:39,229 --> 01:33:37,020
anything he may have been on vacation

2368
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:39,239
that day who knows ABS absolutely he was

2369
01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:42,000
watching you oh yeah but you know there

2370
01:33:46,610 --> 01:33:44,400
was that kid uh there's a I think it's

2371
01:33:50,030 --> 01:33:46,620
on Amazon Prime a young maybe young

2372
01:33:54,110 --> 01:33:50,040
30-something who uh does a solo Traverse

2373
01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:54,120
of Canada and it with a partly canoe and

2374
01:33:58,129 --> 01:33:56,639
then portaging his own stuff and I was

2375
01:34:00,709 --> 01:33:58,139
very very scared for this guy being

2376
01:34:02,209 --> 01:34:00,719
alone because of what we know

2377
01:34:03,890 --> 01:34:02,219
um he didn't mention encountering

2378
01:34:06,890 --> 01:34:03,900
anything not that he necessarily would

2379
01:34:08,270 --> 01:34:06,900
have if he did but uh I I was just

2380
01:34:10,850 --> 01:34:08,280
thinking about that I was thinking about

2381
01:34:12,470 --> 01:34:10,860
him yeah uh his tent and Bigfoot and

2382
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:12,480
everything

2383
01:34:17,330 --> 01:34:14,880
um now I do carry a Garmin inreach with

2384
01:34:19,129 --> 01:34:17,340
me now that I've gotten a little older

2385
01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:19,139
um when I'm out in the woods just in

2386
01:34:22,910 --> 01:34:21,600
case I get stupid and break my leg or

2387
01:34:25,129 --> 01:34:22,920
something my wife can at least know

2388
01:34:27,169 --> 01:34:25,139
where to start looking for me yeah I'm

2389
01:34:30,110 --> 01:34:27,179
gonna actually I'm gonna do the I've got

2390
01:34:32,090 --> 01:34:30,120
the new uh Apple Ultra that has a

2391
01:34:34,189 --> 01:34:32,100
feature like that but I'm going to get

2392
01:34:36,649 --> 01:34:34,199
one like yours because that battery is

2393
01:34:38,990 --> 01:34:36,659
gonna you know it's gonna stay and you

2394
01:34:42,770 --> 01:34:39,000
know it's not going to draw down

2395
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:42,780
um I want to just ask you the eyes Terry

2396
01:34:48,050 --> 01:34:46,080
uh what are you thinking in terms of the

2397
01:34:50,270 --> 01:34:48,060
eyes

2398
01:34:53,570 --> 01:34:50,280
I mean as far as how they do it the

2399
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:53,580
emanation of I don't know I've seen I

2400
01:34:58,370 --> 01:34:55,440
and I don't I typically try not to call

2401
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:58,380
it I shine because it's it's I shine to

2402
01:35:02,090 --> 01:35:00,239
me is like when you shine a light on a

2403
01:35:04,729 --> 01:35:02,100
deer right and it reflects off the

2404
01:35:07,370 --> 01:35:04,739
retina you're providing that light this

2405
01:35:09,530 --> 01:35:07,380
is eye glue they're self-illuminating

2406
01:35:12,110 --> 01:35:09,540
um in that in that Meadow area that I

2407
01:35:14,450 --> 01:35:12,120
was at uh we had an experience where I I

2408
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:14,460
had something called flashlight I shine

2409
01:35:17,930 --> 01:35:16,560
I didn't know what it was I woke up in

2410
01:35:19,370 --> 01:35:17,940
the middle of the night we were up on a

2411
01:35:21,770 --> 01:35:19,380
ridge

2412
01:35:24,290 --> 01:35:21,780
um and I was in my tent and there was

2413
01:35:25,610 --> 01:35:24,300
nobody around except our six people and

2414
01:35:28,129 --> 01:35:25,620
I looked like somebody was walking

2415
01:35:31,090 --> 01:35:28,139
around with a flashlight or a headlamp

2416
01:35:35,149 --> 01:35:31,100
outside my tent it swept across my tent

2417
01:35:36,470 --> 01:35:35,159
and you know I as a Boy Scout I when I

2418
01:35:39,050 --> 01:35:36,480
wake up in the middle of the woods you

2419
01:35:41,149 --> 01:35:39,060
learn be still be quiet when you wake up

2420
01:35:43,010 --> 01:35:41,159
and see if you can tell what woke you up

2421
01:35:44,810 --> 01:35:43,020
so I'm laying there and I thought well

2422
01:35:47,870 --> 01:35:44,820
it's just somebody out answering calling

2423
01:35:49,729 --> 01:35:47,880
nature so I went back to sleep

2424
01:35:52,149 --> 01:35:49,739
next morning

2425
01:35:54,410 --> 01:35:52,159
um we got up and got back to base camp

2426
01:35:56,450 --> 01:35:54,420
no one was out of their tents or

2427
01:35:58,010 --> 01:35:56,460
hammocks

2428
01:35:59,570 --> 01:35:58,020
um one of the guys that was with us did

2429
01:36:02,689 --> 01:35:59,580
say we were up on a ridge that you could

2430
01:36:05,169 --> 01:36:02,699
see kind of 100 miles he did say before

2431
01:36:07,250 --> 01:36:05,179
I went to sleep I saw three red lights

2432
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:07,260
that were kind of floating in the air

2433
01:36:12,590 --> 01:36:10,560
way off in the distance

2434
01:36:15,770 --> 01:36:12,600
I don't know if they're connected I did

2435
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:15,780
have uh got gifted a stick

2436
01:36:18,890 --> 01:36:17,760
through I'll show you a picture real

2437
01:36:20,629 --> 01:36:18,900
quick and I know we're getting we're

2438
01:36:22,570 --> 01:36:20,639
getting tight on time but take a look at

2439
01:36:26,570 --> 01:36:22,580
this picture

2440
01:36:28,129 --> 01:36:26,580
and notice the stick that goes through

2441
01:36:31,010 --> 01:36:28,139
the hip belt

2442
01:36:33,649 --> 01:36:31,020
it's interlaced this was laying outside

2443
01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:33,659
my tent on that night when the ice shine

2444
01:36:37,010 --> 01:36:35,760
happened all right glow happened there

2445
01:36:39,950 --> 01:36:37,020
were no sticks around there were no

2446
01:36:43,669 --> 01:36:39,960
trees around there was nothing wow

2447
01:36:46,970 --> 01:36:43,679
um that was in my tent or I'm sorry in

2448
01:36:49,850 --> 01:36:46,980
my backpack when I woke up and

2449
01:36:52,370 --> 01:36:49,860
the day before I had the most arduous

2450
01:36:55,370 --> 01:36:52,380
climb I've ever had in my life going up

2451
01:36:57,169 --> 01:36:55,380
this hill or this mountain basically

2452
01:36:59,330 --> 01:36:57,179
um I didn't know if I was going to make

2453
01:37:01,970 --> 01:36:59,340
it and I was struggling and I'm

2454
01:37:03,890 --> 01:37:01,980
wondering at this point did somebody see

2455
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:03,900
me struggling and decided I needed a

2456
01:37:09,709 --> 01:37:06,719
walking stick I don't know that is

2457
01:37:12,110 --> 01:37:09,719
that's but sticks don't fall like that

2458
01:37:13,850 --> 01:37:12,120
no it seems like there's a beautiful

2459
01:37:18,229 --> 01:37:13,860
relationship between you and these

2460
01:37:21,169 --> 01:37:18,239
creatures that I I think is is uh you

2461
01:37:23,209 --> 01:37:21,179
know should be evident at this point uh

2462
01:37:25,669 --> 01:37:23,219
and what you had happen man where you

2463
01:37:28,790 --> 01:37:25,679
you walk close and said hey send me that

2464
01:37:30,649 --> 01:37:28,800
you know signal if if we're too close by

2465
01:37:33,890 --> 01:37:30,659
the way how many what's the distance on

2466
01:37:37,070 --> 01:37:33,900
the eyeballs uh from you in the end and

2467
01:37:39,229 --> 01:37:37,080
the I glow at that point

2468
01:37:41,209 --> 01:37:39,239
um it was it wasn't like it was

2469
01:37:43,090 --> 01:37:41,219
Illuminating anything

2470
01:37:45,950 --> 01:37:43,100
um

2471
01:37:47,570 --> 01:37:45,960
so it was real localized uh you know

2472
01:37:50,750 --> 01:37:47,580
again it wasn't like a headlamp where it

2473
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:50,760
spread out they're very well defined and

2474
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:52,560
we're probably

2475
01:37:58,010 --> 01:37:55,040
at that point I was probably

2476
01:38:01,250 --> 01:37:58,020
25 30 feet

2477
01:38:05,689 --> 01:38:01,260
still pretty close pretty close got it

2478
01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:05,699
that makes sense uh anything final you

2479
01:38:09,410 --> 01:38:06,960
know

2480
01:38:11,149 --> 01:38:09,420
anything final from Mr Wendell before

2481
01:38:14,810 --> 01:38:11,159
Gabby goodbyes

2482
01:38:16,370 --> 01:38:14,820
uh what sorry go ahead please yeah just

2483
01:38:18,169 --> 01:38:16,380
real quick I was gonna say could you

2484
01:38:20,330 --> 01:38:18,179
just recommend a really good book for

2485
01:38:23,810 --> 01:38:20,340
people who are interested in this and

2486
01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:23,820
want to get into it for the first time

2487
01:38:30,169 --> 01:38:27,440
um into bigfooting or into camping or

2488
01:38:32,030 --> 01:38:30,179
there are so many um you know anything

2489
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:32,040
by Grover Krantz or any of the Four

2490
01:38:36,590 --> 01:38:33,840
Horsemen

2491
01:38:37,550 --> 01:38:36,600
um stuff like that I think

2492
01:38:42,169 --> 01:38:37,560
um

2493
01:38:45,530 --> 01:38:42,179
remember the name of it but it's

2494
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:45,540
basically a Bigfoot guide there's a lot

2495
01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:47,520
of interesting things in there I wish I

2496
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:48,960
could remember the name of it but if you

2497
01:38:54,050 --> 01:38:51,600
do a Google search on it Jeff Meldrum

2498
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:54,060
Bigfoot book you'll find it I've got a

2499
01:38:58,490 --> 01:38:56,159
copy of that and that's probably my

2500
01:39:00,470 --> 01:38:58,500
favorite to date wow

2501
01:39:01,850 --> 01:39:00,480
um but there's just there's a ton of

2502
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:01,860
stuff out there

2503
01:39:10,910 --> 01:39:09,470
money yeah I I'm gonna just kick off the

2504
01:39:13,070 --> 01:39:10,920
uh the thank yous and the goodbyes

2505
01:39:15,050 --> 01:39:13,080
because uh Terry just listening to you

2506
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:15,060
your stories and the way that you your

2507
01:39:21,050 --> 01:39:18,480
passion for not only Bigfoot but but

2508
01:39:23,629 --> 01:39:21,060
nature and it's rekindled an interest in

2509
01:39:25,729 --> 01:39:23,639
me to get out there more and get some

2510
01:39:27,290 --> 01:39:25,739
camping done and just just be out in the

2511
01:39:29,870 --> 01:39:27,300
woods uh and I think that that's

2512
01:39:31,490 --> 01:39:29,880
something that uh it's a lost art right

2513
01:39:33,709 --> 01:39:31,500
for for a lot of folks in our world

2514
01:39:37,129 --> 01:39:33,719
today it's just to kind of be present in

2515
01:39:38,930 --> 01:39:37,139
nature and let it impact us and clearly

2516
01:39:41,450 --> 01:39:38,940
it's made a big impact on you and and I

2517
01:39:43,490 --> 01:39:41,460
appreciate you sharing that love with us

2518
01:39:47,209 --> 01:39:43,500
so I'm glad to do it

2519
01:39:49,850 --> 01:39:47,219
dabs I have to agree I feel like um we

2520
01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:49,860
forget to connect to the Earth and I'm

2521
01:39:55,490 --> 01:39:51,600
glad that you're out there connecting

2522
01:39:58,310 --> 01:39:55,500
saying hello to for us some of us are on

2523
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:58,320
asphalt and concrete all day long

2524
01:40:02,510 --> 01:40:01,199
and um please if you see Bigfoot say

2525
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:02,520
hello for me

2526
01:40:06,410 --> 01:40:05,040
I will do it and definitely need you to

2527
01:40:08,050 --> 01:40:06,420
come back because we're going to need to

2528
01:40:11,629 --> 01:40:08,060
know how to get some of that medicine

2529
01:40:14,510 --> 01:40:11,639
and when I figure it out I'll let you

2530
01:40:17,450 --> 01:40:14,520
know okay thank you so much for coming

2531
01:40:19,729 --> 01:40:17,460
and educating us about this

2532
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:19,739
well it's been my pleasure

2533
01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:21,600
um you know just everybody needs to take

2534
01:40:25,310 --> 01:40:23,520
their shoes off and walk around Barefoot

2535
01:40:26,750 --> 01:40:25,320
in the dirt once in a while

2536
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,760
um

2537
01:40:31,610 --> 01:40:28,560
be good to the woods be good to each

2538
01:40:35,930 --> 01:40:31,620
other respect yourself respect the woods

2539
01:40:39,110 --> 01:40:35,940
uh just you know just do the right thing

2540
01:40:42,470 --> 01:40:39,120
I want to say my cabbie goodbye to you

2541
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:42,480
um Terry thank you so much uh like I

2542
01:40:47,330 --> 01:40:44,639
said these guys I was just you know

2543
01:40:49,129 --> 01:40:47,340
glowing after after listening to you in

2544
01:40:51,530 --> 01:40:49,139
the Tokyo Airport and then forwarding

2545
01:40:53,450 --> 01:40:51,540
these guys that podcast I couldn't wait

2546
01:40:55,070 --> 01:40:53,460
to get you on I do want to go out on an

2547
01:41:00,370 --> 01:40:55,080
expedition with you so

2548
01:41:03,649 --> 01:41:00,380
um I've thinly failed agenda here uh so

2549
01:41:05,090 --> 01:41:03,659
no it wasn't whether I got to go with

2550
01:41:06,290 --> 01:41:05,100
you in the woods I wanted to talk to you

2551
01:41:08,330 --> 01:41:06,300
whether I got to go in the woods with

2552
01:41:10,850 --> 01:41:08,340
you or not but I definitely do

2553
01:41:13,250 --> 01:41:10,860
I'm gonna go next weekend with Tyler

2554
01:41:14,990 --> 01:41:13,260
Howell again who I went with last

2555
01:41:17,330 --> 01:41:15,000
weekend he's got a new spot that we're

2556
01:41:19,070 --> 01:41:17,340
going to go hike about two miles in and

2557
01:41:20,570 --> 01:41:19,080
look

2558
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:20,580
um take some time to sit still and

2559
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:23,280
listen yes sir yes sir I did I did last

2560
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:25,199
time and I will again

2561
01:41:30,110 --> 01:41:27,600
um I am also inspired uh by you like

2562
01:41:32,030 --> 01:41:30,120
Nathan is hopefully I'm gonna get to

2563
01:41:33,470 --> 01:41:32,040
come up to Asheville and go out with in

2564
01:41:36,290 --> 01:41:33,480
the woods with Nathan this is something

2565
01:41:38,830 --> 01:41:36,300
that I'm I'm thinking about as well so I

2566
01:41:42,169 --> 01:41:38,840
want to go out with both of you guys

2567
01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:42,179
give me a yell oh yes that's what we

2568
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:44,880
need to do exactly that's the approach

2569
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:46,560
that's the approach

2570
01:41:51,770 --> 01:41:49,440
um and it is you're such a gentleman

2571
01:41:53,689 --> 01:41:51,780
um and and uh we're just so honored

2572
01:41:55,850 --> 01:41:53,699
because of the way that that you

2573
01:41:59,629 --> 01:41:55,860
approach this topic I think shouldn't

2574
01:42:01,550 --> 01:41:59,639
Inspire uh other big researchers to uh

2575
01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:01,560
Bigfoot researchers to kind of take a

2576
01:42:06,530 --> 01:42:04,320
look at it maybe a a less invasive

2577
01:42:09,890 --> 01:42:06,540
approach a less of a chasing approach

2578
01:42:12,169 --> 01:42:09,900
and more of just a slow gentle walk into

2579
01:42:14,810 --> 01:42:12,179
the woods and an acknowledgment of them

2580
01:42:16,609 --> 01:42:14,820
and and maybe gonna have more success

2581
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:16,619
that way and not that everybody needs to

2582
01:42:20,090 --> 01:42:18,480
do it the same either I don't I don't

2583
01:42:22,790 --> 01:42:20,100
necessarily think that I think there's

2584
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,800
more than one good way to do this but uh

2585
01:42:27,050 --> 01:42:24,480
but anyway thank you so much for the

2586
01:42:29,810 --> 01:42:27,060
honor and for Mr Terry Wendell for

2587
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:29,820
Nathan for Debs this is DJ Singh peace

2588
01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:33,360
out one love we'll see you down the road

2589
01:42:37,470 --> 01:42:35,280
and we're always wondering what's up

2590
01:42:45,810 --> 01:42:37,480
around the bed